Patrick,
My post was prompted by my interest in anecdotal evidence of the
functioning of the Joe cell. There is a school of thought that
it is 'merely' an ultra-efficient low voltage electrolysis cell
.... However, such a theory is at odds with reports of the
actual physical functioning of the cell.
How so?
... please do not mention that 'red herring' of disinformation
which will not die, it seems... that being the cell that works
when it is sealed from the manifold. That statement has been
debunked, I am told. There is NO cell which works when sealed. A
goodly sized fraction of everything Joe has told others, probably
to judge their level of gullibility (and get a good laugh) has
been debunked by someone else later, it seems, after having
invested (wasted) of an inordinate amount of time. The people who
seem to be getting decent results in Oz are the people who
abandoned most of Joe's B.S. some years ago. But yes, there are
some who will say otherwise ... and that is the problem of
depending too-heavily on anecdote - isn't it?
If "orgone" exists, it is the most likely hydrino, which hydrides
immediately and will not pass through a seal in enough quantity to
power the ICE (most likely). I think if you want to approach this
with some modicum of scientific rationality, you must weed out the
disinformation. But of course, one man's weed is another's flower.
Some folks like Kudzu... go figure.
The one unusual item, to avoid weeding-out, which is out-of-step
with normal electrolysis parameters (somewhat) is the necessity
for the longish water pre-treatment regime. That step seems to be
absolutely essential, I am told, but everything else is consistent
with electrolysis in which an order of magnitude more energy is
derived from a given amount of input current - using the
pretreated water. That pretreatment is worthy of investigation
itself, but the pretreatment could be automated for home usage and
is not a big drawback and does not require much energy input. It
probably serves to structure the water to carry a higher
capacitance.
I've wasted way too much time on the video clips (weeding), but am
considering going over to S.L.C. to see the Stephens demo as a
last resort (or for sure if they can talk Randi into showing up,
and raise the bar a bit) - but hopefully - prior to July a
well-documented and fairly scientific effort, with reliable data,
will appear and spare me the effort of that trip.
Jones
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