Michel Jullian wrote:

> But the air propelled downwards by the ion has a mass (hidden in the ion
> mobility parameter), that's what's matters, just like the mass of a
> helicopter's propeller is irrelevant. If one can speak of thrust for a
> helicopter, one can speak of thrust for a lifter.

Ok. I presumed the phrase "ion mass is irrelevant" meant "ion mass
is physically irrelevant".

> BTW the momentum of the discharged+ejected ions is negligible compared to that
> of the neutrals they drag along, because their concentration is very small.
> 
> BTW2 the derivation is elegant but admittedly it could be a little more
> rigorous wrt distinguishing between scalars and vectors.
> 
> Michel

Harry

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