On Aug 13, 2007, at 2:59 AM, Michel Jullian wrote:

Measuring relative surface potentials between two
electrodes simply doesn't tell you if there are excess surface
electrons on one or both or neither.  It still seems pretty obvious
to me.

You can say that three times it won't make it true, whatever Lewis Carroll says ;-)

Come on, what you describe is a capacitor, there are excess electrons on the surface of the most negative electrode facing the most positive one, of a very predictable total charge given by:

C*Delta_V = C*(potential of most positive electrode - potential of most negative electrode)

Elementary EE stuff. Only potential differences matter I tell you!

Suppose a 1 m radius metal sphere, sphere A, has 1 coul more negative charges than positive. Suppose a 1 m radius metal sphere, sphere B, has 2 coul more negative charges than positive. They have a finite potential difference V at some separation D. The same is true for two spheres X and Y where X has 2 coul less negative charges than positive, and Y has 1 coul less negative charges than positive.

Sphere, charge in coul:
A  -1
B  -2
X  +2
Y  +1

There is no difference in relative potentials, but the two differ significantly in electron fugacity, the significant variable.

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/



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