On Sep 9, 2007, at 1:24 PM, Jones Beene wrote:

Horace

> Ah yes, it's that sometimes delusional pre-experiment glow I must be feeling!

Problem is - I don't see this working more robustly than the old Clarendon dry pile without getting down to "nano" tolerances, and possibly to exotic materials.

We apparently have very different views on this, and very differing mental models of how this might work. The ZPE mechanisms I have suggested occur between the transport molecule and the donor and acceptor surfaces. That's where the sub nanometer gap lies.

In my model of the process, it is only useful to make the gap roughly as small as the mean free path. If water vapor is used then pressure is on the order of 1/10 atmosphere, and the mean free path is on the order a micron.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_free_path

Even if a 1 atmosphere H2 H2O gas mix is used, the gap need only be about 100 nm, a tenth of a micron. This is not a big deal with today's technology. The dry pile used paper separators of, say, 10^-4 m gap. A 100 nm gap is 10^-7 m, which is a factor of 10^5 improvement. Then there is the improvement of not fighting the uphill potential drop of the metal-metal interface, at least another order of magnitude improvement. And then there is the idea of using the pile for pulse amplification, which might provide even more improvement, depending on the final choice of materials.

Coming up with clean electrode materials might be difficult for me, but it is not an impossibility to come up with some basic tests of the concept.

So far I've been in a brainstorming mindset, willing to entertain 20 impossible things before breakfast. Actually getting down to making real stuff is indeed the hard part.

What things ultimately boil down to is whether the electron affinity concept can be made to work, i.e. actual charge transfers obtained at both donor and acceptor surfaces with some useful frequency, and to some extent wether the concept has any applicability at all to the dry pile operation.

I think it should be possible for an amateur to test this using a DC pulse train through a simple lead-transporter-gold cell, and zinc- transporter-gold cell, using various gasses as electron transporters, including steam, hydrogen, a steam hydrogen mix, gasoline vapor, gasoline vapor steam mix, etc.

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/



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