Here's a good description of the history of Israel and Palestine, by a jewish author:
http://takingaimradio.com/hhz/ The Hidden History of Zionism, By Ralph Schoenman On Sun, Jun 08, 2008 at 09:41:28PM -0600, Edmund Storms wrote: > I don't like the situation either, Philip. However, when a nation has the > oil we need, it is apparently easy to be nice. If not, we have to pay an > even greater price for our principles. This is actually the way the world > works these days. In the past, the US called the shots. Increasingly, the > oil suppliers and China will call the shots. Get use to the idea, because > it is only going to get worse. You should ask why such a situation was > allowed to develop. These situations do not occur by accident. > > As for Israel, it is hard to choose words carefully and still be honest. > The situation is not based on scientific logic, but on faith and religious > belief. A significant number of people in the US believe that Israel was > given to the Jews by God. These people have significant influence and they > vote. Therefore, any criticism about how Israel behaves is unpopular, being > called anti-Semitism. As a result, Israel can cause the US to do things > that would otherwise be impossible if demanded by another country. History > shows why is is true. Creation of the country displaced millions of > Palestinians. These people were forced from their homes and land. This is a > fact. As a result, these people and people in the surrounding countries > have been and continue to be angry at the unfairness of this, regardless of > the justification based on God's will. Nevertheless, the US has sided > heavily in favor of Israel. Because the Palestinians do not have modern > weapons, as supplied by the US to Israel, they fight with the only tools > they have. The US labels this method terrorism, which it is. As a result, > the situation is made more one sided and desperate. No body wins and the US > is dragged deeper into the conflict. No matter which side you favor, this > is the situation. The policies used in the past have clearly not worked no > matter how "correct" you think them to be. The question is, what do you > suggest we do now? > > Ed > > PHILIP WINESTONE wrote: > >> I personally don't like the idea of playing nice with people whose >> greatest wish is to cut my throat. The leader of the greatest and most >> benevolent country in the world (I didn't say it was perfect) has to "make >> nice" to people who by their teachings precipitated the 9/11 disaster, and >> who incidentally benefit greatly in many ways, many of them most >> unpleasant, from current oil prices? Just a little strange to me. I'm no >> politician, but I do respect - as the Soviets did - a nation whose leaders >> make it perfectly clear what would happen if America were to be >> jeopardized. Not so with the Saudis. We "make nice." >> As for "supporting everything the Israeli government wants." Can you be a >> little more definitive? You say, "... the Bush gang is so incompetent and >> so under the domination of Israel..." Perhaps you could reword this so >> that we could all understand (if we're interested, which I'm sure most >> people here aren't) exactly what this tiny nation in this tiny sliver of >> land (about the size of New Jersey) is using to "dominate" the most >> powerful nation in the world. I guess it could be Viagra... Whatever it >> is, I'd like some of this "domination juice." >> Please choose you words a little more carefully if you can't offer >> "scientific explanations." They're a dead giveaway... >> P. >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Edmund Storms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sunday, June 8, 2008 7:03:40 PM >> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Oil Gang responds >> Well, Philip, you did see Bush holding hands with the Saudi king. He was >> trying to get the Saudi to pump more oil, which they refused to do. >> However, I see no conflict with playing nice with the Saudi and >> supporting everything the Israeli government wants. One is done for >> money and the other is done for politics. Unfortunately, the two have >> now formed an explosive mixture. >> Ed
