Yes- I thought that there were others who strongly
feel that the Graneau results are overblown or
non-existent. Thanks for posting that.

BTW- George, have you seen anything of particular
interest, or even seen at all, the plethora of
Lindemann-inspired "water-sparking' videos which have
turned up in recent days?

Of course there is little supporting actual data, as
of now, so this is more question of visual impact
based on experience ... but to my thinking, there
could be something to it.

In that configuration - the diode does permit much
more drain from the power supply after breakdown,
which would have to be parasitic to the engine
alternator, so no conclusions about the net power
balance can be reached at all... except that it is
probably lossy.

However, I did take the liberty of submitting this
concept to the Negre, MDI, AirCar people yesterday. 

They are in the best possible position to try it out,
and to benefit, if there is anything to it.

Whether or not they will seriously consider it and
take it to the lab is another story, but this kind of
tinkering is said to be Negre's forte, and I think he
will try it.

Jones

--- George Hathaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I published a rebuttal of the Graneau excess-energy
> claims a letter to 
> the editor of Infinite Energy Magazine V12 #71 2007
> (pg 4). In it, I 
> claim that the conclusions which I published
> together with the Graneaus 
> in Jnl. of Plamsa Physics were not logically able to
> be derived from the 
> experiments we performed together. In other words,
> while there may be 
> some gain mechanism in water subject to electric arc
> discharges, it has 
> not been proven by experiment.
> 
> cheers - George Hathaway [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Jones Beene wrote:
> 
> >Possible correction: in digging around just now, I
> >have found some recent information from a
> researcher
> >who has spent a lot of time with the Graneau
> >experiement and thinks (strongly) that it is NOT
> >gainful.

> >There is a thread here:
>http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5135.msg112480

> >>If the Graneau conclusion of a COP=~2 gain in
> >>water-arc discharges is correct ... 

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