OrionWorks wrote:
Hi Thomas,
You have stated most succinctly that in order to be accepted in what
Believe, be baptized, follow the 10 commandments, love your fellow man
as your self. That is the minimum.
Another distinguished Vort member, Leak, has already responded with
what Jesus had to say on this subject.
As for my personal thoughts on the matter I would like to point out a
few things you previously stated:
A Holy G-d is obligated, because he is holy, to bring about
the expiation of sin from the world. I'd love to do something
Perhaps I misunderstood your use of the wording here because I find it
odd to claim G-d is "obligated" to do anything. If he/she is
It has to do with his nature, of which Kodeshim (holiness) is an
integral part. BTW, the Hebrew text makes it plain that G-d is a
plurality of personages (see the three pillars of the Medatron in the
Zohar) at least one of which is male. The Holy Spirit, OTOH, is female.
Also consider this, what to you think would happen if the human race, in
it's present sinful condition, got loose in the galaxy?
But that's really not what I want to discuss. You state: "... this
expiation will require blood shed, if I were to do that, I would be a
bigger murder than Joseph Stalin."
Those are heavy words, Thomas. Such a statement causes me to wonder
how you are able to personally reconcile what is considered to be one
Consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds.
of G-d's most important commandments, which you clearly state is,
Nazis attempted to do to the Jews during
WWII? If this is a fairly accurate assumption on my part I find myself
Lucifer delights in producing counterfeits of G-d's plans. the Nazi's
were honoring the gods that they worshiped, the pagan pantheon. As for
innocent blood being required for the expiation of sin, explaining that
is beyond my pay grade.
Is it because He is the
ultimate Boss, and what the Boss sez and wantz ...the Boss getz?
Rank has it's privileges. I see it in the light of a chemist doing what
is necessary in order to make the reaction go in the desired way.
The way you seem to be describing G-d's mysterious ways, I can't help
but point out something obvious: What kind of example is G-d setting
for his beloved creations if it is so written that he so commands his
I'm assuming that Lucifer's rebellion was a necessary element in the
plan. It seems that beings who have free will, can choose to follow
Kodeshim or not. It's kind of like destructive testing under load. It
appears that is the only way in which he can differentiate between the two.
perform the
necessary "...blood shed" himself - presumably to set things right in
this world.
On that note, let me mention Isaiah 63. Our eschatologists put that at
end of the Tribulation, where Yeshua deals with a remnant of Edom which
has survived the ordeal which has afflicted the rest of the world.
To me, such divine privilege does not come off as a perception of an
all-knowing, wise, and loving G-d.
If he can tell which sentient, free willed entities will fail the test
without testing, then G-d has gone to a lot of trouble for nothing. Also
there is the matter of the Wheat and the Tares. Lucifer spread his seed
into the same field. I assume that he had to be allowed to do so, since
G-d was being fair with him.
Certainly NOT a Role Model to
emulate! Rather, it seems more to be the perception of egotistical
hypocrite known to have proclaimed: "BELIEVE IN ME!!!! And while you
are believing in me: Do as I say, not what I personally do."
You clearly don't understand Kodeshim. Ditto for the nature of the
universe.
Jed, I ain't no atheist myself, but right now I do think I would
prefer the company of a gathering of atheists. Would you please put in
a good word for me? ;-)
The Council of the Ung-dly, Psalm 1, will take in anyone.
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