My thought has always been, if god created man in "his" own image, and man is inherently sinful...
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:06 PM, thomas malloy <temall...@usfamily.net> wrote: > OrionWorks wrote: > >> Hi Thomas, >> >> You have stated most succinctly that in order to be accepted in what >> >>> >>> Believe, be baptized, follow the 10 commandments, love your fellow man >>> as your self. That is the minimum. >>> >>> Another distinguished Vort member, Leak, has already responded with >>> what Jesus had to say on this subject. >>> >>> As for my personal thoughts on the matter I would like to point out a >>> few things you previously stated: >>> >>> A Holy G-d is obligated, because he is holy, to bring about >>> the expiation of sin from the world. I'd love to do something >>> >> >> Perhaps I misunderstood your use of the wording here because I find it >> odd to claim G-d is "obligated" to do anything. If he/she is >> > > It has to do with his nature, of which Kodeshim (holiness) is an integral > part. BTW, the Hebrew text makes it plain that G-d is a plurality of > personages (see the three pillars of the Medatron in the Zohar) at least one > of which is male. The Holy Spirit, OTOH, is female. Also consider this, what > to you think would happen if the human race, in it's present sinful > condition, got loose in the galaxy? > >> But that's really not what I want to discuss. You state: "... this >> expiation will require blood shed, if I were to do that, I would be a >> bigger murder than Joseph Stalin." >> >> Those are heavy words, Thomas. Such a statement causes me to wonder >> how you are able to personally reconcile what is considered to be one >> > > Consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds. > >> of G-d's most important commandments, which you clearly state is, >> >> Nazis attempted to do to the Jews during >> WWII? If this is a fairly accurate assumption on my part I find myself >> > > Lucifer delights in producing counterfeits of G-d's plans. the Nazi's were > honoring the gods that they worshiped, the pagan pantheon. As for innocent > blood being required for the expiation of sin, explaining that is beyond my > pay grade. > >> Is it because He is the >> ultimate Boss, and what the Boss sez and wantz ...the Boss getz? >> > > Rank has it's privileges. I see it in the light of a chemist doing what is > necessary in order to make the reaction go in the desired way. > >> The way you seem to be describing G-d's mysterious ways, I can't help >> but point out something obvious: What kind of example is G-d setting >> for his beloved creations if it is so written that he so commands his >> > > I'm assuming that Lucifer's rebellion was a necessary element in the plan. > It seems that beings who have free will, can choose to follow Kodeshim or > not. It's kind of like destructive testing under load. It appears that is > the only way in which he can differentiate between the two. > >> perform the >> necessary "...blood shed" himself - presumably to set things right in >> this world. >> > > On that note, let me mention Isaiah 63. Our eschatologists put that at end > of the Tribulation, where Yeshua deals with a remnant of Edom which has > survived the ordeal which has afflicted the rest of the world. > > >> To me, such divine privilege does not come off as a perception of an >> all-knowing, wise, and loving G-d. > > If he can tell which sentient, free willed entities will fail the test > without testing, then G-d has gone to a lot of trouble for nothing. Also > there is the matter of the Wheat and the Tares. Lucifer spread his seed into > the same field. I assume that he had to be allowed to do so, since G-d was > being fair with him. > >> Certainly NOT a Role Model to >> emulate! Rather, it seems more to be the perception of egotistical >> hypocrite known to have proclaimed: "BELIEVE IN ME!!!! And while you >> are believing in me: Do as I say, not what I personally do." >> > > You clearly don't understand Kodeshim. Ditto for the nature of the universe. > >> Jed, I ain't no atheist myself, but right now I do think I would >> prefer the company of a gathering of atheists. Would you please put in >> a good word for me? ;-) >> > > The Council of the Ung-dly, Psalm 1, will take in anyone. > > > > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- > http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- > >
