Im saying, especially with the power shown in names by god (Giving to Adam the power to name all animals, and thus control them by their name) ect, wouldn't creating a tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and naming it as such, basically CREATE the concept of evil, if it did not already exist?
I've not read those particular apocropha, i will have to look them up, thank you. As for Lillith, she appears in the Haggadda, which was basically a cliff notes with annotation book that got started up in, I wanna say 5th or 6th century bc, but I could have the date wrong without looking it up. It included larger versions of and personal thoughts on the Talmud on up through... Either esther or ezra. Again, my memories fuzzy. I really should just google it. http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=haggadda there, that will take care of it. heh. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence <sa...@pobox.com> wrote: > > > leaking pen wrote: >> why would god create a tree of the knowledge of good and evil, the >> ability to tell the difference between, if evil did not yet exist? > > Hmmm, interesting question! I'm glad you asked me that, young man! > > Next question, please! > > (Errr... Perhaps God's ability to foretell the future had already tipped > him/her/it/them off that there was going to be trouble with Satan, who > had already been created at that point...) > >> >> Also, theres no good quote showing that satans fall DEFINATELY >> happened after man was created, no? >> > > Assuming that's a serious question, here's a serious answer... > > In the Bible there's essentially nothing on Satan's fall. So, within > the bible, the answer is a clear "no". > > However, the Bible comes from a tradition which included additional > material, both oral and written. The extrabiblical tradition regarding > Satan's fall is, IIRC, written down in the Testament of Moses and the > Story of Adam and Eve. It's in those (pseudepigraphic and/or > apocryphal) books that the tradition of Satan's fall due to envy of Adam > is documented. And I think it's pretty clear, in those books, that > Satan's fall happened after the creation of Adam. > > The Nephilim are also a largely extra-biblical tradition. IIRC, within > the Bible, there's a vague reference to them in Genesis, and there's a > hint that Goliath was sort of a "left over" Nephilim, but that's about > it. As I said, however, there's a lot more said about them in Enoch, > which was once widely accepted as a holy book, before it was lost to > Europe for several centuries. Interestingly, Enoch survived as a > well-known and almost-canonical book in Ethiopia. All currently extant > manuscripts of Enoch are in fact in Ethiopic, though the original book > was written in Hebrew. > > And I have no idea where to find much of anything about Lilith. She's > far, far extra-biblical -- she's not mentioned in any of the > pseudepigrapha which I've read. (She makes an appearance in Valis, but > I don't know anyone who considers that book "sacred".) > >
