Recent debates about the need to stay more focused on on-topic scientific related discussions within vortex-l prime [Vo] have raised the hackles of certain participants, and might I mention here that some of those individuals who have expressed their concerns are considered respected long-term heavy weights.
I would like to propose that, if it is within Mr. Beaty's power (and desire) to do so, he might create another alternative vortex list, a new and improved OFF TOPIC Vortex-LoT list group, one where the subject line is prefixed with: [VoT]. I would like to suggest several useful reasons why it might be useful to do so: (A) It would take the tension off maintaining the purity of discussing scientific-only subject material within [Vo] prime. If certain long-term discussions (as many naturally tend to do) begin evolving and splitting off into matters concerning politics and/or religion or perhaps something else entirely [Vo] participants can quickly state, Hey, we're beginning to get off-topic here, it's time to move this particularly thread over to [VoT] where those who are still interested can resume lively discussions. (B) I am suggesting the creation of a new and improved off-topic Vortex list where ETIQUETTE RULES ARE APPLIED in the same manner they are followed within Vortex-l prime. IMO, Vortex-b [VoB] is NOT a fair and/or healthy environment for the discussion of off-topic subject material that may have originated within Vortex-l prime. There ARE no rules for maintaining any semblance of etiquette within VoB. It's my understanding that that is precisely why VoB was created in the first place, so that anyone who felt the need to engage in verbal fist fights could do so without any fear of reprisals from Mr. Beaty, the god of Vortex-l. Unfortunately, and IMHO, the fallout of such stop-gap measures is that [VoB] is NOT a healthy environment for the discussion of lively and/or spirited OT subjects. [VoB] has instead transformed into a perfect breading ground for the attraction of all sorts of despicable troll personas who will implant themselves and begin advertising their services. [VoB] has transformed into a cesspool filled with vitriol. Not surprisingly many who would have wanted to continue discussing serious and creative OT subjects that might have originated as "scientific" discussion in [Vo] are loath to discuss matters within [VoB]. They have unsubscribed from [VoB], and so have I. (C) Another point is that for many vortex-l individuals there almost seems to be a negative stigma attached to the discussion of OT subject material. It's as if OT discussions are almost considered second-class material, that they are beneath vortex-l, that such discussions are second-tier and don't deserve the same rights of etiquette or protection that those who wish to engage in pure scientific discussion. This is a form of prejudice and not a very fair one IMHO. Granted this may NOT actually be what most feel about the discussion of OT subjects, but I think it's a legitimate perception and a concern. (D) The point of creating [VoT] would be to create a good, strong and healthy environment for the discussion of OT subjects that may have originated within [Vo] but are now no longer precisely defined in scientific terms. Such OT discussions should IMHO still be able to enjoy the same rights and protections that vortex-l prime participants enjoy. Therefore, I would like to propose that if it is at all feasible for Mr. Beaty to create an alternative Off Topic List groups, the Vortex-LoT group [VoT] where Off-Topic discussions can be discussed but with the same degree of net etiquette, civility, and protections granted to those within vortex-l prime. Granted, and this should be obvious to many, [VoT] discussions are likely to occasionally get a tad more lively, and possibly even contentious at times. Nevertheless, AND THIS IS THE CRUCIAL POINT: Anyone who begins to misbehave incessantly or in a chronic way can be given a time-out or, if there is no other recourse, permanently barred in order to maintain the health and safe civility of [VoT]. Mr. Beaty, is this possible to do something like this? Would it be too difficult to do? Does anyone else have any thoughts, pro or con, on this matter? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
