Mark, I think the danger is to the Casimir geometries in the synthetic catalyst formed by the nano powders not to the people standing around the equipment. I disagree with Ed Storms theory that this is first and foremost a nuclear reaction but agree with his assessment regarding the narrow thermal band that must be maintained to produce excess heat - very much like starting a fire by blowing on an ember wrapped in kindling you got to get the flow just right. The Rayney nickel confirmation is almost certainly an example of runaway and is growing whiskers or melting closed according to stiction force as the metal overheats into a plastic state. (and why you must return the powder to BLP for reactivation). The slow accumulation of excess heat in Arata's work is probably starvation as the translated reactants slowly leach out of the Casimir geometry and do so by disassociating and then reforming at lesser fractional values proportional to whatever the current level of Casimir suppression happens to be in the current surrounding geometry. In a runaway or near runaway condition this can clearly lead to tunneling and nuclear reactions but in the classic example of catalytic action it can also lead to repeated chemical reactions occurring at a greatly accelerated rate. I think most people would admit that catalytic action is the causative factor for reactions but only a few individuals are willing to consider a chemical reverse reaction of h2 - 2h1 fueled by change in Casimir force /super catalytic action (ashless) - and I may stand totally alone in positing that the change in Casimir force / change in vacuum energy density is actually relativistic. This relativistic position based on Naudts theory of the hydrino as relativistic hydrogen results in a remarkable condition where two nearby atoms can be nearly stationary relative to each other but experiencing different equivalent accelerations. It would also lend support to my posit that h1 can translate freely between these different equivalent acceleration zones but the covalent bond of h2 would oppose this translation resulting in an asymmetry -meaning the covalent bond in a changing Casimir geometry could act as Maxwell's demon when near the disassociation threshold. Regards Fran
-----Original Message----- From: Mark Iverson [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 11:39 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]: how to stop runaway condition... I must be missing something! Hi Fran: Yes, agreed... The comment about steam was only half serious! The thought there was that the steam was 'exhaust' and dilution of the 'fuel' with exhaust would decrease efficiency. But that was thinking of this thing like an internal combustion engine... However, no one has commented at all about the main point of my posting. There was all this concern and angst about a runaway reaction and, oh my, how dangerous this is, and its going to be soooooo difficult to make a 'safe' reactor. It has been said, by Rossi himself, that the reaction stops very quickly (within seconds, or a few tens of seconds?) after you stop the hydrogen flow... -Mark -----Original Message----- From: Roarty, Francis X [mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 5:08 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]: how to stop runaway condition... I must be missing something! on Wednesday, January 19 Mark Iverson said [snip]" If that won't reverse the runaway condition fast enough, inject a contaminating gas... Perhaps, of all things, steam?" [/snip] Hi Mark, I agree a reaction quashing gas is a good idea but not steam which is very reactive and could permanently damage the catalyst- rather an inert gas like helium to quickly change pressure and ratio of available reactants to activated geometry. You might have to purge the gas mix before restarting but at least the catalyst should still be activated. Regards Fran