Jed, did you actually read what I wrote?  It sounds like you stopped
after the first paragraph.

On 02/09/2011 11:14 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Stephen A. Lawrence <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>  
>
>     Now, if you boil water in an /open/ boiler with a /submerged/
>     heating element, the temperature of the steam will never go above
>     100C (give or take a degree).
>
>
> Exactly. And that's still how it works if you turn the pot sideways.
> That's what the Rossi and Hydrodynamics gadgets amount to: sideways
> open boilers.
>
> It makes difference whether the water is on top of the heater surface,
> or the heater surface is on top, or all around the water. For that
> matter, if you put the pot on the space shuttle, then the heater is
> neither on the top or bottom, but as long as the steam escapes
> immediately at 1 atm the steam temperature will not rise; the
> molecules merely move faster as the heating surface gets hotter.

What molecules move faster?  The ones in the steam?

The steam can NOT exit the tube going faster unless IT IS HOTTER.

You've got a fixed flow rate in moles per minute, man -- doesn't that
mean anything to you?

Faster steam exit => larger volume of steam coming out.

Repeat the mantra:  Fixed number of moles, determined by the pump!

Larger volume coming out => IT MUST BE HOTTER!

PV = nRT, darnit, read the equation!

You are proposing a physical impossibility, no matter what the boiler
configuration, if you think you can just speed up the steam flow without
increasing the water flow or increasing the temperature.

Nature doesn't give a hoot about your preconceived notions of boilers;
if the power level is above that needed to exactly boil away the water,
and the pressure and flow rate are fixed, the water will boil off back
far enough in the water jacket to allow the steam to contact the water
jacket walls directly, and come out superheated.

The only other possibility which conserves energy and water in the face
of excess reactor power is to assume there's some other path for the
reactor to dump heat by, and it's dumping just enough heat by that other
path to keep the steam temperature down to boiling.

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