From: Mattia Rizzi >> I think you should grant this is an independent test.
> Absolutely NO. Independent tests are performed with people *not related* with Rossi. > Not friends or acquaintances. I'm curious. Do you personally suspect fraud is actually occurring due to the fact that "friends" and "acquaintances" are involved in testing Rossi's E-Cat? Do you suspect the University of Bologna is unwittingly (or knowingly) involved in fraudulent behavior? > If Levi said "there isn't chemical reactions inside" with a test performed > outside U. of Bologna, i cannot trust him. Levi is related with Rossi. > If Dept. of Physics said "there isn't chemical reactions inside" with a test > performed INSIDE U. of Bologna, i trust them. > So, until now, there isn't an independent test. What you are describing pertaining to how the experiment must be performed strikes me more as falling back on a semantics game - in order to satisfy an ideology. While your reasoning is 100% correct semantically speaking, the truth of the matter is that maintaining such reasoning in the strictest sense can just as easily be twisted around and used in ways that end up hindering proper investigation of scientific claims. Seems to me that it would actually be wise to have someone on hand possessing an accumulation of knowledge pertaining to the e-cat's idiosyncrasies, particularly in case the device begins behaving in unexpected ways. Back in 1989 I wonder if some of those physicists hastily attempting to conduct P&F experiments had taken the time to question P&F in more detail - I wonder if some of their experiments might have turned out more positively. If so, would that have made the results no longer independent BECAUSE they had taken the time to ask P&F. And horror upon horrors... what if they started getting positive results as a result of having consulted extensively with P&F? The point I'm trying to suggest here is to hide behind an ideology that states TRUE independence is the only thing that matters can in itself be just as manipulative & unrealistic if not detrimental to the progress of science. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
