-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] In reply to Mark Iverson's message
>And if one considers ZPE interactions then one might have to ignore the COE since we have no way of measuring ZPE! Testing COE requires that ALL energy inputs and outputs, of ANY kind, must be measurable. RvS: Note that if ZPE exists, then it has always existed and interacted with every experiment ever done. IOW the conservation laws were developed in an environment in which the ZPE existed, so one might expect that it's effects are already "built in", except perhaps under extremely exceptional circumstances. Those circumstances would need to be determined if one expects an exception in this case." Well - isn't is almost certain that "those circumstances" are "nano-dimensional"? All of this stuff goes back to the primary Arata 'nano breakthrough'. Moreover, there could be an emerging explanatory alternative to this secondary breakthrough being either nuclear or ZPE. Instead, the nano dimension could be a gateway for a "fifth force". Unfortunately applying a label like a fifth force is only a place-marker for an unknown. The "relativistic" label is really the same thing. However, there are a lot of efforts going into this in Big-Fizzix, and that is why I changed the subject heading to the Yukawa potential http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yukawa_potential This is a new kind of fifth force, which arises in Kaluza-Klein theory, where the universe has extra spatial dimensions (not time). The Yukawa force, which is transmitted by a scalar field with a long Compton wavelength would be disguised as ZPE in some cases, like in a cavity. It would seem to be a natural for cavity QED, one would think - and in "Technicolor," so to speak. This has prompted a lot of recent interest, as in supersymmetry and large 'extra' dimensions. A dimension with size slightly less than a millimeter seem to be important, which is kind of bizarre but maybe there is another one which 'fits' nicely into the Forster radius. I think that some of this work recently announced at LHC and Fermilab might actually payoff for understanding LENR (only we would need to change the name to something like FFR). Wouldn't it be kewl if the first application of the fifth force came first from the fringes, and from pathological scientists and underfunded inventors, and actually preceded the discovery of the actual force carrier by the billion dollar labs... who will of course still try to claim all the glory. Jones
