Peter,
                Does your comment regarding reproducibility also apply to Brian 
Ahern's baking of nano powder in regular air? Do you think he would do better 
to bake in a vacuum? Would even inert gases like helium be inferior to vacuum? 
The recent thread on different alloying methods of spin melting, sputtering, 
electroless plating and deposition already suggests the preparation is just as 
important as material selection in creating these active sites but now it 
appears these sites, from the moment of creation, must be protected from 
contamination or they will simply self destruct. I am still of the old "MAHG" 
school  of thought where the initial energy source is thought to be   ZPE / 
dynamic Casimir effect  which repeatedly translates the orbitals of whatever 
gas molecules are trapped at the active sites in the changing Casimir 
geometry/changing energy density. The Haisch-Moddel patent suggests there is 
something to be gained even when applying noble gas to these sites based on 
Lamb Pinch but I don't think this would be considered a destructive force since 
the geometry is much less active and the endless gas circulation is controlled  
through a large surface area of  alternating Casimir and non Casimir geometry 
forcing endless LESSER translations in both directions as compared to hydrogen 
which would need smaller geometry and alternate between H1 and H2.  I think the 
Haisch Moddel theory of operation being based on noble gas indirectly supports 
your perspective on gas loading density being a misleading metric - a 
coincidence of bulk properties that doesn't apply to powder.


                My point is that we may need to start testing matrices of 
different baking procedures with different cover gases or vacuum conditions 
along with the different alloying methods and secret catalysts already being 
discussed. It may be that the real difficulty is in maintaining these active 
sites once created and if we solve that issue we could find the sites are being 
created and self destructing all around us all the time but so reactive they 
simply vanish faster than we can detect.
Regards
Fran

From: Peter Gluck [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 2:21 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Ahern in Next Big Future

Jed, I agree with our vision re. the competition between bulk and surface of Pd 
for D. It is about active sites on the surface call them NAE if you wish. The 
thirst of bulk for deuterium has a negative influence on the functionality of 
the active sites and therefore the conditions necessary
for an usable energy source are not fulfilled:

INTENSITY- depends on the density of the active sites;

REPRODUCIBILITY- if the active sites are inactivated by
gases different from deuterium, good-by reproductibility!

CONTINUITY- active sites are dynamic, they have to be generated constantly for 
long time

It seems the fact that cold fusion (largo sensu) was discovered in palladium 
was historical bad luck to the field.

Peter


On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 12:46 AM, Jed Rothwell 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
See:

http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/06/brian-ahern-getting-8-watts-in-low.html

This article includes some quotes which I assume are from Ahern made during his 
MIT presentation. I wish people would attribute quotes more carefully. Some 
quotes:


"A rough calibration suggests that the 30 grams of hydrated nanopowder is 
putting out 5 watts of excess power."

Rather too rough, in my opinion. I wish he would use a Seebeck calorimeter or 
something like that.


"Yesterday Peter Gluck suggested that the relationship between loading and 
excess power may be a myth. This seemed to be true for electrolysis with Pd and 
heavy water where loading levels exceeding 0.9 D/M were a prerequisite for 
observing excess power."

I think Peter overstates this. Loading is correlated with excess power in bulk 
palladium-deuterium systems, especially with electrolysis. However that does 
not mean it correlates with gas loaded powder systems, or with hydrogen. In 
other words, the loading is necessary with bulk material, but that may be for 
some secondary reason. The high loading triggers unknown condition X, and 
condition X in turn triggers the heat. With gas loaded powder, condition X 
occurs by itself. My guess is that with bulk material, without high loading, 
the deuterons are not "presented" to the surface from underneath, and for some 
reason that is necessary.

- Jed




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Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

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