Peter,
                The repeated cleaning cycles used by Piantelli seems like a  
limited method  of partially salvaging damaged   sites.  I would suggest 
instead  to  mill the powder inside a vacuum chamber where even the small 
amount of ambient gases left from the original ore can outgas while the 
geometry is being reduced.  Much smaller geometry should be achieved in vacuum 
without heating of the metal from the reacting gases. The obvious difficulty is 
collecting the pristine millings while still under vacuum and alloying them by 
spin melt or sputtering with the inner reactor wall surface.  Perhaps the 
external cooling system should be already running and kept running to keep the 
smallest geometry of the forming alloys from collapsing due to the stiction 
forces?  I don't think pristine nano powder  should require pressure loading of 
hydrogen and could even operate with the powder still under partial vacuum.

Fran

From: Peter Gluck [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 10:18 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Ahern in Next Big Future

Yessir! have discussed this with Brian. I have concluded long time ago that CF 
is not reproducible because the active sites are covered with other gases from 
air (as polar as worse) that destroy their activity. For Ni-H I know how does 
the Piantelli Cell work, a lot is in his 2 patents WO1995/20816 and especially, 
WO 2010/58288 please see how drastically- high vacuum, high temperature, many 
cycles is nanoNi cleaned. Piantelli says the presence of
foreign(not hydrogen) gas molecules inhibits the process.

We don't know much about what is Rossi doing, is his system more tolerant to 
air and its impurities. Stremmenos has told in one of his interviews how it was 
discovered that the system (which?) works only after deep degassing.

I believe that clean metal surface- is a sine qua non condition for a working 
material/setup. This is a simple,
cut-the-Gordian-Knot type idea. If it works, OK if not you can test all those 
conditions and ideas you describe, that are based on bright theories.
Peter

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