On 11-06-19 12:13 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    That's like a poker game where nobody has to show their cards,
    they just state what they have and everyone believes them.


In poker, you do not have to show your card if everyone else folds.

Sometimes, you do, even then: If you opened the betting, you need to show "openers", which is typically a pair of jacks or better. (That's in straight and draw poker, of course. Hold 'em and stud may be a little different.)

Nobody gets a free ride, and nothing is done on "trust".


Fortunately, Rossi is forging ahead with development and with cooperation the Defkalion, so even though this is not academic science, we are likely to learn the full details and we are likely to see convincing proof eventually.

Yes. And absolutely nothing I say here has the power to either advance or retard that development. For good or for ill, things have gone far too far for any little argument on this list to derail them.

I'd like to add something else, as well.

Jed, I have an awful lot of respect for you. The work you've done for the field of LENR has been awesome, and I think it has made a substantial difference. Furthermore, you are enormously knowledgeable, and in many situations I'm willing to treat your opinions as something approaching "proof".

I feel very uncomfortable arguing with you, particularly when the subject is contentious.

In this case, you seem to be completely convinced of the veracity of the claims which have been made. Obviously, I'm not so convinced. However, I really don't want to get into a nasty spat over it, with claims of "obvious" and "absurdity" escalating into assertions of "blindness", "ignorance", and "idiocy". So I should probably just Cool It at this point, and say I hope Rossi's device really does work as claimed.

If it all turns out well I'll certainly post an apology for having doubted!

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