On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Jed Rothwell <[email protected]>wrote:
> Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > > My sense, from the weak steam coming out of the end, is that what seems to >> be marginal at the end is an indication that more power is being generated >> than the input electrical power, but I'd not want to claim that this demo >> shows that, it's way too shaky. >> > > No, it isn't shaky. The water would be 60°C or less in most of these tests > if there was no anomalous heat. Sticking to the Krivit demo, no, increasing the water to 100C requires only 600W. The electrical input was 750W. > There would be no trace of steam. With just the electrical power, there would be just a trace of steam. > The only question is: Is there a lot of anomalous heat, or only a little? > Who cares?!? The output steam does seem to exceed the 150 W from electrical only, but the amount of excess is important, because only a little can be produced chemically. Moreover, if it is only a little, then there are other possible discrepancies that could account for what is seen. For example, esowatch has calculated a flow rate based on the pump frequency to be 1/2 that claimed by Rossi. Then only 300W are needed to bring the water to 100C. And that leaves 450 W to go into steam. That seems pretty consistent with what is coming out of the hose. > The sad thing about this is that a convincing demo -- absent true and >> serious fraud -- could be easily done. >> > > That is true. But it would not matter how convincing the test is. That's not true. You yourself have said that an isolated device that stays hotter than its environment for a really long time would be convincing to anyone. This is like watching the Wright brothers fly and arguing whether they are > 10 feet in the air or 20 feet. People do argue about that! At ~10 feet they > had the advantage of ground effect. Some people say this is cheating, so > they did not really fly at first. I say flying is flying and who cares. Well no one denies flying is possible now, so clearly a sufficiently convincing demonstration of that is possible. But no, it's not about 10 ft or 20 ft. Rossi has not got off the ground yet.
