On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 6:19 PM, Jouni Valkonen <[email protected]>wrote:
> Julian Brown wrote: > > > Basically, the whole set up defies even approximate quantitative > > calorimetric analysis. > > > This is nonsensical speculation. E-Cat is designed to be a standard > boiling water reactor and boiling water reactor is exactly similar > setup than a kettle. No. The ecat is very different from a kettle. > And we know that tea pots do not produce wet > steam. Well, they can, but not as wet as an ecat, because they don't have a pump forcing the fluid through at a fixed rate. > It is very safe conclusion to make that E-Cat produces 95-99% > dry steam. That means that energy calculations are accurate up to 95%. > This is very simple and very basic physics. > Let me see if I understand you correctly. Lomax seems to think I should try harder. You say the ecat cannot produce a mixture of liquid and gas (i.e. wet steam) with any appreciable amount of liquid. Now, everyone seems to agree on the amount of power needed to bring the water to just below the boiling point in the ecat, and the amount required to vaporize it all. In the Krivit demo, the first is 600 W, and the second 5 kW (round figures); in the January demo the first is 1.8 kW, and the second is 12 kW. So that means that if the ecat produces power in between those values, then a mixture of liquid and steam must come out of it, otherwise the powers don't balance. You say this can't happen, so you are saying that it is physically impossible for an ecat to produce power in a certain forbidden region. So when the water begins to boil, the power toggles discontinuously from 600W to 5 kW, or from 1.8 kW to 12 kW. The forbidden region depends not just on the particular ecat, but also on the flow rate Rossi chooses to use. And you know that the ecat has a forbidden power range, which is mysteriously affected by the flow rate, because when you make pasta or tea, the steam is dry. Have I got it straight? Because if so, then I think the idea is whacked. If not -- if you think the ecat *can* produce intermediate powers -- please try to explain what would come out of the ecat if it were producing 2 kW power (in the Krivit demo). Presumably, if there is no forbidden region, it must pass that power level. > > It is just, that this whole speculation has been gone far too complex, > because certain two dimensional "scientists" lacks common sense, so > that they fail even rudimentary skills, like they are unable to cook > pasta without proper calorimetric analysis. This is just silly. > It is simple physics, as you said, but you will not learn the necessary physics in the kitchen. Cooking pasta does not give you the necessary knowledge or credentials to prove the ecat is legit. Take a freshman course in physics, and then come back. > > The small chimney will result in a small overpressure and a boiling > > temperature > 100 Celsius, so I am not impressed by 100.5 Celsius > > > Chimney is the widest part of the E-Cat. However the opening for the > hose is small, perhaps 15-25 mm and it may rise the boiling point to > 99.9-100.2 °C. > I believe he is talking about the vertical height: At a depth of 30 cm, the bp increases by a degree. > > In the USA, maximum sentence from fraud is 150 years in prison. I am > sure that sig. Rossi has prepared himself for a fraud. In other words, > these are extremely serious and insulting accusations. > Expressing skepticism is not an accusation of fraud.
