Ok, Peter. What I'm saying is I've run into this kind of thing before. There 
was an electrical engineering professor on TheEEStory.com blog who thought a 
patent was invalid and falsified because it showed a fuse blowing at a current 
that (if it were DC) would be insufficient to melt the fuse. I still haven't 
convinced him that skin effect is the reason it blew. He says that skin effect 
in the case of this fuse would be negligible but he does not calculate it 
correctly, One must take into account all the Fourier components in the pulse 
to get the proper effect. He only traets the fundamental and is thus mislead. 
But a sawtooth wave has harmonics that stretch theoretically to infinity. 
Although the amplitudes of these harmonics decrease as their frequency 
increases there is always the same net contribution to skin effect for each 
frequency decade. In theory the upper limit of frequency should only be limited 
by the electron plasma frequency. In other words, if there were no such 
limitation the series would diverge. This is a known property of the harmonic 
series (1 + 1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4...) which also diverges and is related tothe 
sawtooth Fourier components. Where is the paper mentioned?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Peter Heckert 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 5:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [Vo]:Debunking Steorn Orbo


  Am 19.09.2011 22:33, schrieb Joe Catania: 
    Now you are asking me to take it on faith from you. I find you less 
convincing than Steorn.
  Let me explain. All known rules about electricity and magnetism are 
compatible with energy conservation.
  It is therefore impossible to derive an extra energy mathematically, basing 
on /known/ electromagnetic effects like skin effect.
  There must be an energy source.

  I dont say that the effect is untrue. If it is true then it is not an 
electromagnetic effect.
  Possibly the Nickel core contains spurious Hydrogen atoms.
  Nickel is magnetostrictive. Possibly the AC induces magnetostrictive 
vibrations in the core or current in microscopic superconductive spots and 
triggers hydrogen Nickel fusion.
  The next locical thing to do would be to measure the frequency depency of the 
effect. Why didnt they do this? Or might they have done? Should I buy the 
paper? Tell me the price.

  Best,

  Peter


      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Peter Heckert 
      To: [email protected] 
      Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 4:29 PM
      Subject: Re: [Vo]:Debunking Steorn Orbo


      Am 19.09.2011 22:22, schrieb Joe Catania: 
        I'm not going to take it on faith about the AC power being less than 
DC. I've done these types of calculations before and I can tell you they are 
not simple.
      It is simple. The simplest way to calculate such problems is to use the 
law of enery conservation ;-)

        A sawtooth wave can generate some extremely high harmonics which have a 
large skin effect. I'd need to see the formula used to evaluate them.
      ;-)


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