Robert Leguillon wrote:
Obviously, you have come to your conclusions. I have found this test
inconclusive. You may disagree, and now be 100% convinced, but it's
your personal attacks that are troubling.
Pointing out that your assertions violate elementary laws of physics is
NOT a personal attack. In a steady-state system the temperature can only
fall. It cannot rise. It falls until it reaches thermal equilibrium.
That is true of every molecule.
If you disagree, please point to a paper, an article, or even a
Wikipedia article that contradicts this. Show us some reason to believe
the textbooks are wrong and you are right.
The E-Cat temperature is a curious artifact with interesting implications.
But it does not violate the laws of thermodynamics.
You've also asserted that there was no water overflow in all of the
previous tests, so I apologize if I don't just take your word on this.
You don't have to take my word. Lewan measured flow rate at 0.9 ml/s for
6 minutes. That is about 3 times less less than the incoming flow rate.
It cannot be producing steam and overflowing and yet the total is less
than the incoming flow rate.
Obviously it would have overflowed eventually, if the power had remained
down at 3.5 kW.
If the water vs. steam overflow has any bearing on heat conductance,
then this is quite relevant.
No, this has no bearing on it. This was liquid flow calorimetry, badly done.
Remember that this is NOT a gas stove. This is an electric stove with
a massive burner.
Not massive at all. It was measured at 2.5 kW, which is the size of an
ordinary electric kitchen range:
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No one disputes the input power measurements.
It takes HOURS to get the water boiling, and thatlarge, hot burner
is inside the E-Cat, inside a blanket.
It took hours because there was only 2.5 kW going into a poorly
insulated 30 L (8 gallon) pot. It does not take HOURS to boil an
8-gallon pot of water on a stove when you are making lots of corn or
stew, like this one:
http://homebrew-supplies.homebrewmart.com/8-gallon-33-quart-ceramic-on-steel-pot-p675.aspx
It does take a while, especially when you are hungry.
Again, try this. Boil a large pot of water. You will see that this is
not "massive burner" and does not take hours.
We never "remove the pot from the burner," we simply turn off the
burner. The burner still has energy to release after power is removed.
It is metal. The specific heat of metal is 10 times smaller than that of
water. Only a little energy is left in it.
Horace Heffner had some excellent calculations of the slow release
of thermal energy from the core. It's worth a read.
His calculations are wrong. He should try this. You should try this. You
cannot add 60 L of tap water to a poorly insulated 30 L pot and keep the
temperature at boiling with no input power.
Skeptics are saying that the secondary thermocouple may be influenced
by slugs of hot water overflowing the E-Cat. Puffs of steam and shots
of water impart differing amounts of thermal energy.
There is no water coming through.
In all of the previous tests, the E-Cat had a gain while it was powered.
No, in the most recent test before this, it was off for 30 minutes, in
heat after death, yet the temperature increased during this event.
The calorimetry was bad but not that bad. Stored heat cannot do
this. Try it, and you will see.
Do I need to make an Orbo, while I'm at it?
You need to boil ordinary water on an ordinary stove. Find out if it
takes hours to boil 8 gallons. (You can extrapolate from a smaller
amount if you do not wish to waste energy.) Wrap it in insulation, let
cool for four hours and see whether it is still close to boiling
temperature. If it is not, you are wrong. This is a simple test that
anyone can do. If you sincerely believe your assertions you try it. I
have done many similar tests, albeit with smaller amounts of water, in
Mizuno's lab in elsewhere. I used containers with better insulation than
Rossi's
- Jed
