On Nov 7, 2011, at 3:15 PM, David Roberson wrote:
This exercise has me confused. Are you making an attempt to
demonstrate that it is possible to make a scam ECAT? That would of
course be instructive since Rossi has never run an ECAT for an
extended period of time as a single unit. I suspect that we should
consider that he is telling the truth about only populating 1 core
within the large case for the October 6 test. If you calculate
that three times the excess heat energy would be generated with
the same input when all 3 cores are installed, then a fake unit is
much more dificult to achieve. What are we to assume? Do you
think that Rossi is totally dishonest?
I wish you good luck with your endeavor.
Dave
I think is important to demonstrate *why* the calorimetry done thus
far is so inadequate. One important means to do this is to provide
an alternative way the results could be obtained without any nuclear
energy. The most convincing way is to build a physical model.
Another way is to build a simulation of what could be built as a
physical model.
What I would most like to see, by far, is positive results in a long
test with good calorimetry. There seems to be no way to get Rossi
to perform good calorimetry or even to have it done for him at no
charge. I take this as a bad sign.
I have pretty much assumed all for some time that a scam explanation
is not required. It could simply be bad experimental technique and
self delusion. However, a feasible scam explanation should be good
motivation to provide good calorimetry. I will be satisfied if I can
show a scam method can reproduce the results.
My feelings about all this have been in numerous posts. Some examples
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg50931.html
It is incredible that it could be expected that anyone would invest a
dime in this technology without even the most basic and inexpensive
science being applied to the most important aspect - calorimetry on
the output.
Despite my dismay at the calorimetry, or lack thereof, and lack of
due diligence (on the part of investors), I should note that I have
made an effort to understand how Rossi's results might be real. For
example:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg44845.html
I still hope beyond all reason that Rossi's methods are real and
useful. If not, this could be the worst thing that has happened in
the field of LENR. LENR is clearly very real, if not useful yet. I
think everything is still purely a matter of speculation though
regarding Rossi's results, for those outside Rossi's inner circle. It
is thus best to simply wait and see what unfolds.
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg50707.html
The correct thing to do is to do calorimetry on the output using a
well calibrated professionally designed calorimeter independent of
the device itself, preferably using dual methods. Then there is
little need for issues like this that involve a lot of guesswork.
Alarm bells should go off in your head when you see the amount of
discussion this issue has had, and the lack of meaningful progress.
Lots of response, but no progress. Just a lot of churning churning
churning.
I still find it incredible that it could be expected that anyone
would invest a dime in this technology without the most basic and
inexpensive science being applied. This is not a moon mission.
I expect Rossi could have had competent high quality calorimetry done
for free many months ago, and without divulging anything about his
device.
I find all this very depressing. Billions of people are likely going
to be affected by timely development of the LENR field. If the Rossi
thing is a bust it could cost a major setback for LENR research
support, and millions of lives.
The longer the issue of poor calorimetry goes on the worse it looks
for Rossi. Also, the more I work on the data the worse it looks.
I have developed a new perspective on all this, however. It seems to
me a couple million dollars for an M-cat might be a worthwhile
investment for either law enforcement or national security agencies.
A couple million is in some sense small change to get the right
answer about whether there is anything real behind the claims.
Further, if an Italian law enforcement agency makes the purchase,
they either have a great investment, or grounds to get their money
back immediately, and a solid case to prosecute.
I saw somewhere a report that Domenico Fioravanti drove off towing
the M-cat right after the test. The report seemed bogus. I had
visions of E-cats falling off the top of the container as he drove
off. 8^) The report said he hitched up his truck to it.
Containers don't have wheels, or trailer hitches. Maybe there are
dollies that can be attached? I suppose a container could be
quickly winched up on a tilting flatbed.
Best regards,
Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
