I would expect the pump noise to alter. Before boiling occurred the pump
only had to contend with flow loss induced pressure requirements. When
steam was generated it had to handle the flow losses plus the steam
pressure on the unboiled water that would be trying to force the feed
water back into the feed water pump. IE when the water was boiling and
generating pressure, the pump would have to do more work to continue to
supply a constant flow of water to the E-Cat than when the water was not
boiling. Boiler feed water pumps must be sized to deliver the required
flow rate at the boiler pressure relief valve rating:
http://www.mckenziecorp.com/boiler_feedwater.htm I would find it strange
if the pump sound did not alter as the steam pressure inside the E-Cat
built up and varied. Why is it strange that the pump delivered more
water when pumping to air than into the E-Cat?
Steam quality was measured in the tests in question. Output
overstatement due to non vaporized water was stated to be in the range
-2% to - 4.7%. With 400 Watts in (measured and logged every 8 seconds)
and 12,000 Watts out (logged every 2 seconds) the amount of non
vaporized water does not matter.
As for Krivit in Italy did you actually listen to the way he asked
questions? He was rude and insulting. To an Italian his actions would
have just shut them down. Did you see Levi's reactions as Krivit
questioned and treated him like some dumb school kid who was telling
lies? If these guys were not gentlemen, Krivit would have been sleeping
with the fishes because of his lack of respect. And you wonder why
Americans have such a bad reputation around the world? Krivit needs to
grow up and apologize to the Italians for the way he treated them back
then and even more so now. Krivit's reporting is so one sided as to call
his and who he is working for agenda into question. As far as I can see
Rossi is spot on calling many around him a snake.
On 12/11/2011 6:45 PM, Robert Leguillon wrote:
AG, look at the date.
The Gallentini pages you refer to were produced in July, for the
December and January tests, as a direct answer to Krivit's concerns;
that is why BY MASS was all in caps. Steven Krivit, of New Energy
Times, had traveled to Italy for an interview with Rossi. An E-Cat was
demonstrated for him, and it is obvious to all but the most ardent
fanbois, that the demonstration failed.
Unfortunately, he went on to dismiss the earlier tests based on "steam
quality" that didn't quite describe the real heart of the possible
error. I believe that he overreached too quickly and proceeded to
insult many people without the necessary tact. There are also cultural
differences that were not heeded.
Nevertheless, I would recommend reading Krivit's Report #3, if you've
never read it:
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/37/NET370.shtml
It's quite comprehensive, and can provide much-needed context.
That said, MY is incorrect. In the December and January test it IS
plain as day that there is not complete vaporization, BUT...
Even if it is 100% water, the energy in is not sufficient to bring the
water to boiling; at least, that's what we all believed at the
time. You see, they measured the pump output prior to the test, and
we all assumed that it was a fixed output paristaltic pump. After
research, people watching closely investigated and found it is a
variable rate and variable displacement pump. Observers noted that in
multiple videos where Rossi claims the same flow rate, you can hear
different rates of pump operation in the background (it makes a
distinct clicking sound).
Why all this attention to the pump? In the September demo, the
observers were very careful to measure input water flow regularly. It
was discovered that the pump releases significantly more water when
open to the air than it does when connected to the E-Cat.
This brings the December and January tests into question. Previously,
it appeared that, even absent any evaporation, the E-Cats did not have
enough power to reach 100C. If the flow rate is lower than believed,
though, that could close the "excess power" gap.
> Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 17:53:51 +1030
> From: aussieguy.e...@gmail.com
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Why not duplicate Rossi's setups and see how they
work without LENR?
>
> So you did not read the last 2 pages? Where an expert in steam quality,
> measured and made adjustments in the order of -2% to the energy output.
> There was no invalidation, no matter how much you wish there was.
>
>
> On 12/11/2011 5:38 PM, Mary Yugo wrote:
> > On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Terry Blanton <hohlr...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 1:16 AM, Mary Yugo <maryyu...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:maryyu...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > I can't access that paper at the moment -- the site
> > > returns an "account suspended" error.
> >
> > He just needs to buy bytes. But Jed posted the Levi report here:
> >
> > http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LeviGreportonhe.pdf
> >
> >
> > Thanks. That's one of the many experiments which assumes the water
> > was completely evaporated. There's no evidence whatever that it was.
> > A small portion of liquid water would totally invalidate the result.
> > It's typical of a run which has been widely and properly criticized.
>
