I thought that the container was loaded onto a truck and driven away from the site shortly after the demonstration - Did I just imagine reading that? Fran
-----Original Message----- From: Stephen A. Lawrence [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 2:27 PM To: [email protected] Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Rossi often says things he does not mean On 12-01-19 02:09 PM, Wolf Fischer wrote: > Some of us tried to find where he said that the thing was shipped. The > only thing that we found was his answer on the question "Is it gone?" > --> "Yes". The question leaves a little room for interpretation in my > opinion, but really - it's only very little room... Hmmm -- I was just taking Jed's statement at face value; I confess I didn't go swimming in the strange river of Rossi's statements to try to confirm it. Certainly there have been recent quotes from Rossi in which he strenuously denied claims that the customer had RETURNED it. I suppose, though, if he never shipped it, then he's being totally truthful in asserting that it wasn't returned ... right? Personally I stopped believing anything Rossi said after the "wet steam/dry steam" business blew up early last year. There are no doubt zillions of cases of hotshot researchers who lied about their results but none the less went on to produce real breakthroughs, as Jed seems to be fond of asserting, but I'm afraid the opposite is quite a bit more common. (Google "korea clone" for a perhaps more typical example.) > Wolf > >> >> >> On 12-01-19 10:11 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: >>> This discussion about Rossi's 1 MW reactor is silly. The reactor has >>> not shipped anywhere. He said it has not shipped, and it is obvious >>> from the photos it has not. >>> >>> Previously he said he did ship it. Now he says he did not. He is >>> contradicting himself. He often does that. I would not call it a "lie" >> >> He said it shipped. That's a binary statement, either true or >> false. If false, I, personally, would call it a "lie". >> >> In fact, for the most part, when a vendor says they shipped something >> and they really didn't, most folks would call that a "lie". >> >> Photos indicate Rossi didn't ship it. That makes his statement >> false, thus, as I said, making it what most folks would call a >> "lie". (That's what a lie IS, for goodness' sake! It didn't ship, >> he knew perfectly well it didn't ship, and he said it did ship. Right?) >> >> Now Rossi says it didn't ship, which most people would characterize >> as an "admission", though he didn't couch it quite that way. (But of >> course he didn't say "I admit it didn't ship" -- if you're covering >> up an earlier lie, it's always better to make it sound like the >> current story was true all along, and anything else is just mistakes, >> misunderstandings, or stuff to be ignored and/or dismissed.) >> >> Just what would he have to do, Jed, for you to say he "lied" ? >> >> >>> in the usual sense because he makes no effort to cover up or explain >>> the contradiction. He says "X" on Monday and "not X" on Tuesday as >>> if it makes no difference. >> >> Yup, he's what most folks would call a pathological liar. >> >> Yet you seem to be saying that because he lies habitually, nearly >> constantly, we should conclude that he really doesn't lie at all. >> >> I don't quite follow that. >> >> >>> As if he never expected to be believed in the first instance, and he >>> did not mean it. >> >> This is a totally bizarre characterization of his behavior, IMHO. >> >> >>> Truth is malleable in his imagination. >> >> Maybe; I don't have a direct line into his imagination. >> >> From where I'm sitting he just looks like a pathological liar. >> >> > >
