maybe a question of language (Rossi is more anglo-saxon introduced) or prevalence (first on the market).
clearly for an engineer Defkalion have a more clear behavior, even when silent. note that my conviction of DGT is that the independent testers are so afraid to talk alone that they ask for total radio silence until they all gather their result and talk together each backing the other results... (for detail on my reasoning see that post http://184.171.250.170/~lenrforu/lenrforum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=61#p107 ) anyway rossi have something, simply : - he makes awful translation mistakes, fast writing... - he lies to hoide problems, and maybe even fraud a little to win time - he is a bad engineer, ignoring modern methodology, and most important using other competence. but he seems to have learned recently to use help (maybe by force). 2012/3/8 Chemical Engineer <[email protected]> > I am kind of tired of hearing about Rossi. I would really like to hear > more about Defkalion. They waged a pretty good PR compaign with their > announcements and forum while it was operating. They published > professional looking specs. They showed some actual lab equipment and test > benches not just some carpenter tools like Rossi. To me they lend more > credibility to Rossi than Rossi does himself (ie. there must have been some > kW heat output albeit unstable from Rossi before the contract was > terminated) and they have advanced it. Krivit has been very quiet about > Defkalion. > > Everyone else seems to only claim 10s to 100s of Watts of output vs 10s to > 100s of kWatts out for Defkalion (and Rossi). DGT is my last best hope > that this thing(LENR) is almost ready for prime time... > > > > On Wednesday, March 7, 2012, Alain Sepeda <[email protected]> wrote: > > I think that the total scam is not an option, however it is clear that > Rossi is overconfident, overanticipating. > > > > It is possible and even probable that he lied more or less, even > possible he make fake demo jus to get time to > > find the working recipe... > > > > I'm afraid he is lying much, but just to get time to find what he expect > to be the easy to find result. > > > > maybe I'm wrong, but both the total scam, or the working device des not > match the fact. > > IMHO something have worked so well that convince him to bend the facts > to get time. How far bend ? > > > > note that this behavior is typical of scientist when they have the usual > funding problem, and they are convinced > > something huge is near their finger... > > In books by Broad&Wade (La Souris Truquee in French, maybe Betrayer of > the Truth... dunno) they talk about > > such a researcher that finally paint a mouse to look genetically > patched... stupid fraud that burned his career... > > > > I've made a long post on the question of collective delusion, scientific > frauds, here > > http://184.171.250.170/~lenrforu/lenrforum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=40 > > but it also contains references that can match the individual delusion > and fraud. > > > > just a point, forget about black& white TRUTH, truthers and liers... > > > > as Dr House says, everybody lies... and as attorneys, (cited by a famous > french blogging attorney, Maitre Eolas) your first reflex will be to lie, > your second will be to lie, then maybe you will do what we advise you to do. > > (sorry to cite TV series, but they gather some basic human knowledge. > about scam artist, White Collar gather many classic data about scam > artist... about real case, note that scam artist are mostly short term > brilliant, and long term stupid) > > > > about Roland Benabou theory of self delusion, note that initial belief > is normally based on truth and rational analysed of expected benefit. the > delusion came only when things look like they are different and you will > lose much. Delusion protect your perceived asset from crash, for some time. > > > > > > 2012/3/8 Jones Beene <[email protected]> > >> > >> This is not a "good job" by Steve. It borders on bogosity. > >> > >> Yes - Rossi may manage to draw a decent salary for a few years for R&D > by > >> creating a scam - but that is NOT even close to "getting rich". > >> > >> > > > > >
