Here is the bottom line. Le Clair is setting up
very hot conditions, conditions where only a
plasma could exist, inside the collapsing bubble.
If there is a fusion reaction, it's hot fusion,
practically by definition. Now, there is a kind
of "cold fusion" which really means "hot fusion
but short of normal fusion temperatures." It's
used for the generation of high-Z elements
through collisions. If the collision energy is
"normal," the resulting fused nucleus is
immediately broken up. By lowering the energy
(which lowers fusion yield, but there is always
*some* yield at lower energies), the resulting
nucleus can survive, sometimes, its normal life.
(These are all unstable nuclei.)
This kind of "cold fusion" is really a variety of
hot fusion, not of what we call "cold fusion,"
which does occur only in condensed matter, it appears.
The "Le Clair" effect isn't cold fusion, period.
It isn't LENR, it's high-energy.
Relying on rumors, and then "logical"
interpretation of rumors, such as an alleged
Hazmat team conclusion, which appears to conflict
with what the source for the "Hazmat story" -- Le
Clair -- says about the results, is shaky upon shaky.
This isn't deuterium, it's ordinary water. Tap
water, he says.... Get tap water very, very hot,
what happens? Depends on the temperature. And I
don't really care, because *there is no
independent evidence that this happened.* Le Clair is next to incoherent.
I advised him, more than a year ago, what to do
if this was real. I don't see any sign that he
took the advice. He's got zero credibility.
Instead of taking steps to establish credibility,
he's just repeating his story and his
interpretations. That's his choice, but the rest
of us will respond -- or not respond -- accordingly.
Notice: if he'd simply reported what happened,
without adding in his interpretations, he'd have
been far more credible. What makes him so
immediately detectable as "out there" is his
certainty that he's found this and that, his
explanations of his findings, as being due to ZPE, etc.
He is sharing his story, what he made up, instead of his experience.
It can be hard enough just to share experience,
but at least, then, there is some possibility of communication.
Could Le Clair have found a way to create
extremely hot bubble collapses, hot enough to cause fusion? Sure. Why not?
But the behavior of very hot "water" is pretty
well-known. It's a plasma, not condensed matter,
and so the quantum mechanics are quite well
understood. Others have worked with bubble fusion
and heavy water, I think, and report low levels
of neutrons, with the understanding that those
levels represent the reaction rate. That's
controversial, for sure, but nobody is saying
it's "impossible" that has any sense. Unlikely,
maybe. Still, bubble fusion was taken seriously,
and it was only difficulties in replication that
led to lack of widespread acceptance. It's still open as a possibility.
At 11:02 PM 3/28/2012, Axil Axil wrote:
His *technique* is one that will produce, if it
works, extremely high temperatures through
bubble collapse. Absolutely, this is not cold
fusion. That, however, would not be hot enough
(I assume) to reach to "supernova" temperatures.
To take the extremely high temperatures of
bubble fusion and then say that because it
couldn't produce supernova temperatures, it must
be "cold fusion" is ... a reason why I don't write here much any more.
I really dont want to discourage you from
posting here. Your posts here are of great
value. I feel your 2010 post on LeClair was your
best work. Please continue your great work here.
Please check my logic
Lets first define some terms. A fission bomb is
the trigger of a fusion bomb. When the fission
bomb is detonated, gamma and X-rays emitted
first symmetrically compress the fusion fuel,
and then heat it to thermonuclear temperatures.
The ensuing fusion reaction of light elements
creates enormous numbers of high-speed neutrons,
which can then induce fission in materials not
normally prone to it, such as depleted uranium.
Each of these components is known as a "stage",
with the fission bomb as the "primary" or
trigger and the fusion capsule as the "secondary".
Hot Fusion of a zoo of heavy elements has never
happened on earth. But if it did, large numbers
of high speed neutrons would be created.
There is no evidence of intense production of
high speed neutrons in the LeClair incident. The
proof is that there was no detection of residual
radioactive isotopes by the hasmat crew that
arrive just after the experiment to check the lab.
Hot fusion produces neutrons with few
exceptions. Since no evidence of their large
scale production was detected, by necessity no hot fusion occurred.
Cold fusion never produces neutrons because it
is proton fusion. This type of fusion will
produce only trace amounts of neutrons but they
are very low energy and few in number.
If large scale transmutation occurred, then cold
fusion can be the only possible explanation consistent with the evidence.
Furthermore, Cold fusion cannot be configured to
produce a compressive field of gamma and x-rays required for a nuclear trigger.
Regards: axil
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:10 PM, Abd ul-Rahman
Lomax <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
At 01:34 PM 3/28/2012, Guenter Wildgruber wrote:
On the other hand we are confronted with the
situation that anybody, who thinks LENR could be
real, is easily located in the mental asylum.
Did you read that review I cited? Storms,
"Status of cold fusion (2010)." I assure you
that Dr. Storms is not "in the mental asylum,"
nor are the reviewers for Naturwissenschaften,
which is the "flagship multidisciplinary
journal" of Springer-Verlag, one of the largest
scientific publishers in the world. Mainstream. Not a "fringe" journal.
So which criteria do we have to decide?
Articles authorized and put into 'truth-status' by Peer-reviewed journals?
Yes. (But "truth-status" doesn't exist.) To do
more than that requires a deep understanding of the field.
The reputation of cold fusion is that "it could
not be replicated." That's utterly inconsistent
with what has been published in the
peer-reviewed mainstream press, not to mention
thousands of conference papers (which,
individually, aren't particularly reliable,
quality varies greatly, but much sound work has
expeditiously been published this way; and you
can tell, to some degree by what is later cited in peer-reviewed sources).
Experiments? Which maybe faulty. Conducted by idiots with two left hands.
Got any in mind? The "faulty" experiment is one
that was not completely reported. Experiments
often leave much to be desired, requiring more
work. Others criticism them because they didn't
do this or that, but often they are simply doing
what they can. In hindsight, there is almost always something left out.
Corporate and other scammers, who make a cheap profit on -ahem- con-fusion?
Not common. Rossi is a possibility. Defkalion,
less likely but still quite possible. Commercial
interests aren't "scientists," though they might
employ some. We have no "science" on Rossi,
nothing reported according to the protocols of
science. Rossi himself dismissed the very
concept of a control experiment. Why should he
run a control: he knows, he thinks, what he will see with a control: nothing.
But anyone who knows science knows the
importance of controls. Rossi dumps X energy
into his system. How much steam can you make
with X energy? Some, it appears. How much steadm
was actually generated? Well, not exactly measured, because .... and on and on.
Posters on an imaginary stage?
Everything is possible and has to be weighed by
common sense, which seems to be a rare feature nowadays.
I tried to involve as much common sense as
possible, as everybody in this list tries.
I have come to some preliminary conclusions or
hypotheses, which worry me, I must confess.
That means nothing if you aren't specific.
And i hope, that the very insightful people in
this list give me indications, where I err.
Your comment is very much appreciated, to be sure.
Fodder for thinking. what more can I ask for?
best regards anyway
You're welcome.
The point here was that Le Claire is not
claiming cold fusion (though he has claimed that
"cold fusion" is really his effect -- but his
effect is obviously, if real, hot fusion, plain
old thermonuclear fusion, very dangerous unless
the levels are super-low, as they are with, for
example, piezo-electric devices that are used to
generate neutrons by fusing a little deuterium.
