Hmm... I don't know where the worry is. I looked at the map you linked and entered 80m, and it seems to me very minimal land is getting submerged even with an 80m rise is ocean water. Hardly the environmental catastorphe that extremists like Jed would like us to believe. And based on the latest projections, the worst case scenario is a rise of a few feet.
And to make my point even clearer to Jed, let me recount a study I happened to read a few decades back, in the 80s about a U.N. study that concluded that the entire Human Population at that time (2 billion) can be fed and sustained by an area the size of Texas. Today, we have 6 Billion, so it stands to reason we can be fed and sustained by an area 3 times that of Texas. What this means is that in the worst case scenario, the US midwest region alone can feed and sustain a great majority of the current world population. Hardly the envrironmental catastrophe; certainly not overpopulation. Reality check people. Environmentalism and Global Warming hoopla is not about catastrophe or overpopulation or unsustainability. It's about a growing pantheistic religion movement. A movement that would have you worship rocks and trees and rivers and animals. Personally, I find this attempt to browbeat me into this pantheistic movement quite offensive. And that is exactly what Global Warming Extremist are trying to do. Jojo . ----- Original Message ----- From: Axil Axil To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Koch founded climate skeptic changes sides I hope that this does not happen for all of our sakes. It may be too late for us to avert this scenario. I was driving down I-95 recently and somehow I set my GPS to show elevation above sea level. I was amazed at how most of that highway would be under water if all the ice melted around the world. The sea level would rise 80 meters just in term of ice melt. More sea level rise would happen when the ocean is expanded through increased sea temperature rise after all the ice is gone.. http://geology.com/sea-level-rise/ this tool shows that most of I-95 would be deep underwater together with all the big east coast cities. It is amazing. This tool only goes up to 60 meters in sea level rise though. Cheers: Axil On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 10:10 PM, David Roberson <[email protected]> wrote: Jojo, I think the evidence is that global warming is very real. The main question to some is whether or not it is mainly the result of our intervention as opposed to natural causes. The earth never remains constant in temperature for long and it is better to be warming than cooling in my opinion. It appears that LENR is the cure for any ills generated by us and it has plenty of time to do the task if the accepted timetables are correct. There is however reason to worry that the present warming phase might help precipitate a dangerous cooling period as melting ice changes ocean currents. Some refer to this as a form of tipping point that might be crossed in the near term. I hope that this does not happen for all of our sakes. It may be too late for us to avert this scenario. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Jojo Jaro <[email protected]> To: vortex-l <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:09 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Koch founded climate skeptic changes sides They can relocate to highlands. Bangladesh has some high lands you know. Oh!, my heart bleeds for Florida. If people want to live near coastal areas, then they should bear the consequence. I am tired of bailing out homes destroyed in hurricanes. No, I am saying that Global Warming is not real. But I am giving you a chance to see the fallacy of your position by saying that even if you are right, it not as bad as you make it out to be. It might even be good for humankind. Jojo ----- Original Message ----- From: Jed Rothwell To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 7:42 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Koch founded climate skeptic changes sides Jojo Jaro <[email protected]> wrote: Even if Global Warming raises Ocean Level a few feet (Which is the worst case scenario.) it won't submerge Bangladesh. But even if it does, it's about time they relocate anyways. There're on borrowed time with their yearly occurence of flooding anyways. Where would they relocate to? Do you have any idea what "a few feet" would do to other cities and Florida?!? Again, I must say, I find it astounding that you agree the phenomenon may be real, but you think it will cause no great harm. Saying that impoverished people in Bangladesh should move elsewhere is callous. This is like saying that avian influenza might cross the species boundary to people but it will not cause much harm, and even if does kill some people, they will be mostly poor and the world is overpopulated anyway. And besides, the last time that happened in 1918, it did not have much effect. It infected only one fifth of the population and killed only ~50 million people. It was no worse than WWII. See: http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/influenza-epidemic/ - Jed
