>From first principles of infinite time and random fluctuations of
nothingness, humans can evolve.



Said in simple terms, given enough time, the human species can come into
existence as a result of random chance.



The way modern theological though handles this sort of argument in terms of
intelligent design:



Since God’s plan made infinite time and random fluctuations possible, so
God rightly gets credit for all the possibilities that these concepts
engender; if it has happened, then God must have done it.






On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 8:27 AM, Jojo Jaro <[email protected]> wrote:

> **
> Hello gang,
>
> In honor of my bet with Terry, this is my first post on the Fallacies of
> Darwinian Evolution.   Before I continue, I would like to lay the ground
> work and define a few basic terms that we will be using in my series of
> posts.  Hopefully, people read this post so that I do not have to redefine
> my terms repeatedly.  I do hope Jed engages me in a Debate between
> Darwinian Evolution and Intelligent Design.  Maybe I'll learn something.  I
> hope that if you decide to engage in this discussion, that you would keep
> the exchange civil.  I will not initiate an Ad hominem attack unless
> attacked first.  Let's discuss your ideas and why you absolutely believe in
> Darwinian Evolution and I'll discuss my belief in Intelligent Design.  But
> if you want to exchange insults, I can surely accomodate you.
>
> What is Darwinian Evolution?
>
> Darwinian Evolution is the theory of evolution espoused by Charles Darwin
> in his book "The Origin of Species".  Later he wrote "The Descent of Man"
> specifically to address man's evolution from lower life forms.  The basic
> Tenet of Darwinian Evolution is a random mutation process that results in
> "features" that allow an individual animal or plant life to survive a
> stress in its environment.  When it survives, it passes down this "Trait"
> to its progeny thereby allowing its progeny to successfully live in this
> new stressful environment thereby passing this trait down to its progeny
> also.  The trait enables the individual to survive hence the term "Survival
> of the Fittest", or "Natural Selection".  Darwin then takes this idea of
> Natural Selection one step further and hypothesizes that this natural
> selection process is the means by which variouis species emerge.  Hence
> species A mutates, survives, passes on its traits, then after several
> generations. becomes another species B - hence the term "The origin of
> Species". The nature or origin or mechanism of the mutation was unknown
> to Darwin.  DNA was not discovered in his lifetime.
>
> Darwinian Evolution presupposes that the mutation or the change is small,
> and the mutation process in passed down only via the mechanism of natural
> selection.  In other words, a new trait must not be so complex and the
> change so huge as to cause people to suspect that there might be some
> directed process, or an Intelligence causing the change;  other than
> natural selection that would cause the change.  In other words, Darwinian
> Evolution says that it is impossible to evolve a complex organ like a fully
> developed human eye in a single generation.  The development of a complex
> organ must take place slowly, one minor change at a time, one minor change
> per generation.  This also implies that the minor changes must be
> commulative, or additive.  One small minor change within each generation
> that adds up generation after generation until it becomes an organ as
> complex as an eye.
>
> Darwinian Evolution implies the following:
>
> 1.  The change must be small and minor and slow in an individual.  The
> mutation results in a small change or small feature.  If the change is big,
> there must be some other mechanism or directed Intelligence behind that
> change.  Darwin recognized this and said so in his book.
>
> 2.  The change or the new trait or feature must confer to that individual
> a survival advantage.  Otherwise, that useful trait will simply die with
> that individual.  A trait that may be useful but does not confer a survival
> advantage is a trait that does not result in natural selection hence
> Darwinian Evolution is NOT in operation here.
>
> 3.  The trait must not cause any impairment or susceptibility to the
> individual.  In other words, a trait that confer an increased survival
> advantage but also causes an increased susceptibility to some other
> stress will not result in natural selection.  For example, a trait that
> results in an individual to survive a drought in food must not make that
> same individual be more susceptible to Cold weather.  If it does, the
> chances of the trait being sucessfully passed down commulatively generation
> after generation is minimized and the survival of that individual will not
> be any better statistically compared to another individual without that
> mutated trait.
>
> 4.  The trait or change must be permanent.  In other words, the change
> must not revert back or disappear once the stress is removed.  If it does,
> it will not be additive and hence can not result in a complex organ like an
> eye.  This will result in natural selection only for a few generations and
> then that advantage dissappears and other individuals can compete again
> which will result in a dilution of that trait in the general population.
>
> 5.  Each successive additive change must confer a survival advantage each
> and every step until a complex organ results.  To illustrate, lets say it
> takes 5 steps to develop an eye.  Change A, Change B, Change C, Change D
> and Change E results in a fully developed eye.  (I am using only 5 steps to
> simplify the discussion.  In reality, the steps required to develop a human
> eye requires billions of steps.)   Change A must confer a survival
> advantage to the individual.  An additive change B is added to change A
> that results in his children having a survival advantage also.  Change C is
> added and must also confer a survival advantage to his grandchildren.
> Change D must also confer a survival advantage to his great grandchildren
> and change E results in a fully developed eye conferring a survival
> advantage also.  Each additive change must confer a survival advantage for
> natural selection to work.  If only one step in the chain does not confer a
> sruvival advantage, the entire series of changes previous to the change
> could be lost when that individual does not outperform the rest of the
> population. All the hard work and useful changes will simply be diluted in
> the population again.  Natural selection is broken and a complex organ can
> not develop.
>
> 6.  The evolution process occurs and operates over many generations.  An
> evolution or mutation that occurs in one individual is NOT Darwinian
> Evolution, since no Natural selection is in operation.
>
> 7. The change or trait must not affect an individual's reproductive
> ability.  If there is no reproduction, there is no natural selection, hence
> no Darwinian Evolution.
>
> 8.  The change must have a random mechanism.  If the cause of the change
> is not random, that evolution is NOT Darwinian Evolution by definition.
>
> 9.  Natural Selection is the only mechanism that will differentiate one
> change from another change.  In other words, within an individual we can
> not say a change is useful or not, until it enables that individual to have
> a survival advantage.  Hence, natural selection operates between
> generations, not within a single generation.  There is not natural
> selection process within a generation or within an individual.  Natural
> selection can not be invoked within a generation to explain what mutation
> is useful and what is not useful.   A process that operates within a
> generation is NOT natural selection.  A process that does not confer a
> survival advantage is NOT natural selection.  Survival is the criteria for
> natural selection.  An individual has no mechanism wherein it can decide
> which change to retain or to not retain.  The change is retained and acts
> only if the individual survives.  I can not emphasize this enough.
>
> 10. The change must enable the individual to "outsurvive" other
> individuals in his group.  It is not enough to merely allow the individual
> to survive, but it must cause that individual to "outsurvive" others.  If
> it is not outsurviving other individuals, the change will merely get
> diluted in the gene pool and lost.
>
>
> In the next post, I will define the difference between Microevolution (aka
> Adaptation) and Macroevolution (aka Darwinian Evolution).
>
>
> Enjoy
>
> Jojo
>
>
>

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