Yes, I am familiar with the idea of Punctuated Equilibrium.  It is an attempt 
to explain why even after over a century of intense fossil digging, we have not 
found many of the supposedly "transitional species".  Gould of course thinks 
that that is because evolution occurs in rapid spurts and therefore the 
transitional species did not get a chance to be preserved in fossils.

While Gould seems to have plug one leaky hole in Darwinian Theory, he opened up 
a bigger leak in the theory.  How does he explain the mechansim for the rapid 
changes and rapid appearance of new features?  Even in a geographically 
enclosed population, as he presupposes, the rate of evolution is still governed 
by mutation rates and reproductive rates.  Remember, there is no explanation 
for the spontaneous appearance of a complex feature.  Complex features can not 
be explained by Natural Selection.  A feature must be "chosen" by natural 
selection, hence, it must ultimately be dependent of reproductive rates.  This 
bears repeating, We need to realize that Natural Selection can not operate 
within an Individual within a generation to create complex features.  Natural 
Selection takes generations to achieve its magic of creating a complex feature. 
 There just isn't enough time for all this magic to have occured. 

If Natural Selection can not be used, What is Gould's mechanism for explaining 
the rapid emergence of new and complex features?  The appearance of complex 
features can only be explained by a "Directed Process"; an intelligence behind 
directing the direction of the change.  It is a simple thing for Gould to 
hypothesize Punctuated Equilibrium; the devil is in the details.

So, in fact Punctuated Equilibrium is a totally different theory than Darwinian 
Evolution.  Hence, we can not use Darwinian Evolution concepts to defend and 
support Punctuated Equilibrium.  PE has to stand on its own and explain how 
features occur without Natural Selection. 




Jojo


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  From: Axil Axil 
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  Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 12:29 AM
  Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Fallacies of Darwinian Evolution - Basic Definitions


  Darwinian Evolution presupposes that the mutation or the change is small, and 
the mutation process in passed down only via the mechanism of natural 
selection.  In other words, a new trait must not be so complex and the change 
so huge as to cause people to suspect that there might be some directed 
process, or an Intelligence causing the change;  other than natural selection 
that would cause the change.



  Evolution says that it is impossible to evolve a complex organ like a fully 
developed human eye in a single generation.  The development of a complex organ 
must take place slowly, one minor change at a time, one minor change per 
generation.  This also implies that the minor changes must be commulative, or 
additive.  One small minor change within each generation that adds up 
generation after generation until it becomes an organ as complex as an eye.  



  I reject the basis of your argument. The above  is an archaic assumption as 
follows.



  Punctuated equilibrium

  Punctuated equilibrium (also called punctuated equilibria) is a theory in 
evolutionary biology which proposes that most species will exhibit little net 
evolutionary change for most of their geological history, remaining in an 
extended state called stasis. When significant evolutionary change occurs, the 
theory proposes that it is generally restricted to rare and geologically rapid 
events of branching speciation called cladogenesis. Cladogenesis is the process 
by which a species splits into two distinct species, rather than one species 
gradually transforming into another. 

  Punctuated equilibrium is commonly contrasted against the theory of phyletic 
gradualism, which states that evolution generally occurs uniformly and by the 
steady and gradual transformation of whole lineages (called anagenesis). In 
this view, evolution is seen as generally smooth and continuous.

  In 1972, paleontologists Niles Eldredge and Stephen Jay Gould published a 
landmark paper developing this theory and called it punctuated equilibria. 
Their paper built upon Ernst Mayr's theory of geographic speciation, I. Michael 
Lerner's theories of developmental and genetic homeostasis,[4] as well as their 
own empirical research. Eldredge and Gould proposed that the degree of 
gradualism commonly attributed to Charles Darwin is virtually nonexistent in 
the fossil record, and that stasis dominates the history of most fossil species.






  On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 8:27 AM, Jojo Jaro <[email protected]> wrote:

    Hello gang,

    In honor of my bet with Terry, this is my first post on the Fallacies of 
Darwinian Evolution.   Before I continue, I would like to lay the ground work 
and define a few basic terms that we will be using in my series of posts.  
Hopefully, people read this post so that I do not have to redefine my terms 
repeatedly.  I do hope Jed engages me in a Debate between Darwinian Evolution 
and Intelligent Design.  Maybe I'll learn something.  I hope that if you decide 
to engage in this discussion, that you would keep the exchange civil.  I will 
not initiate an Ad hominem attack unless attacked first.  Let's discuss your 
ideas and why you absolutely believe in Darwinian Evolution and I'll discuss my 
belief in Intelligent Design.  But if you want to exchange insults, I can 
surely accomodate you.

    What is Darwinian Evolution?

    Darwinian Evolution is the theory of evolution espoused by Charles Darwin 
in his book "The Origin of Species".  Later he wrote "The Descent of Man" 
specifically to address man's evolution from lower life forms.  The basic Tenet 
of Darwinian Evolution is a random mutation process that results in "features" 
that allow an individual animal or plant life to survive a stress in its 
environment.  When it survives, it passes down this "Trait" to its progeny 
thereby allowing its progeny to successfully live in this new stressful 
environment thereby passing this trait down to its progeny also.  The trait 
enables the individual to survive hence the term "Survival of the Fittest", or 
"Natural Selection".  Darwin then takes this idea of Natural Selection one step 
further and hypothesizes that this natural selection process is the means by 
which variouis species emerge.  Hence species A mutates, survives, passes on 
its traits, then after several generations. becomes another species B - hence 
the term "The origin of Species". The nature or origin or mechanism of the 
mutation was unknown to Darwin.  DNA was not discovered in his lifetime.  

    Darwinian Evolution presupposes that the mutation or the change is small, 
and the mutation process in passed down only via the mechanism of natural 
selection.  In other words, a new trait must not be so complex and the change 
so huge as to cause people to suspect that there might be some directed 
process, or an Intelligence causing the change;  other than natural selection 
that would cause the change.  In other words, Darwinian Evolution says that it 
is impossible to evolve a complex organ like a fully developed human eye in a 
single generation.  The development of a complex organ must take place slowly, 
one minor change at a time, one minor change per generation.  This also implies 
that the minor changes must be commulative, or additive.  One small minor 
change within each generation that adds up generation after generation until it 
becomes an organ as complex as an eye.  

    Darwinian Evolution implies the following:

    1.  The change must be small and minor and slow in an individual.  The 
mutation results in a small change or small feature.  If the change is big, 
there must be some other mechanism or directed Intelligence behind that change. 
 Darwin recognized this and said so in his book.

    2.  The change or the new trait or feature must confer to that individual a 
survival advantage.  Otherwise, that useful trait will simply die with that 
individual.  A trait that may be useful but does not confer a survival 
advantage is a trait that does not result in natural selection hence Darwinian 
Evolution is NOT in operation here.

    3.  The trait must not cause any impairment or susceptibility to the 
individual.  In other words, a trait that confer an increased survival 
advantage but also causes an increased susceptibility to some other stress will 
not result in natural selection.  For example, a trait that results in an 
individual to survive a drought in food must not make that same individual be 
more susceptible to Cold weather.  If it does, the chances of the trait being 
sucessfully passed down commulatively generation after generation is minimized 
and the survival of that individual will not be any better statistically 
compared to another individual without that mutated trait.

    4.  The trait or change must be permanent.  In other words, the change must 
not revert back or disappear once the stress is removed.  If it does, it will 
not be additive and hence can not result in a complex organ like an eye.  This 
will result in natural selection only for a few generations and then that 
advantage dissappears and other individuals can compete again which will result 
in a dilution of that trait in the general population.

    5.  Each successive additive change must confer a survival advantage each 
and every step until a complex organ results.  To illustrate, lets say it takes 
5 steps to develop an eye.  Change A, Change B, Change C, Change D and Change E 
results in a fully developed eye.  (I am using only 5 steps to simplify the 
discussion.  In reality, the steps required to develop a human eye requires 
billions of steps.)   Change A must confer a survival advantage to the 
individual.  An additive change B is added to change A that results in his 
children having a survival advantage also.  Change C is added and must also 
confer a survival advantage to his grandchildren.  Change D must also confer a 
survival advantage to his great grandchildren and change E results in a fully 
developed eye conferring a survival advantage also.  Each additive change must 
confer a survival advantage for natural selection to work.  If only one step in 
the chain does not confer a sruvival advantage, the entire series of changes 
previous to the change could be lost when that individual does not outperform 
the rest of the population. All the hard work and useful changes will simply be 
diluted in the population again.  Natural selection is broken and a complex 
organ can not develop.

    6.  The evolution process occurs and operates over many generations.  An 
evolution or mutation that occurs in one individual is NOT Darwinian Evolution, 
since no Natural selection is in operation. 

    7. The change or trait must not affect an individual's reproductive 
ability.  If there is no reproduction, there is no natural selection, hence no 
Darwinian Evolution.

    8.  The change must have a random mechanism.  If the cause of the change is 
not random, that evolution is NOT Darwinian Evolution by definition.

    9.  Natural Selection is the only mechanism that will differentiate one 
change from another change.  In other words, within an individual we can not 
say a change is useful or not, until it enables that individual to have a 
survival advantage.  Hence, natural selection operates between generations, not 
within a single generation.  There is not natural selection process within a 
generation or within an individual.  Natural selection can not be invoked 
within a generation to explain what mutation is useful and what is not useful.  
 A process that operates within a generation is NOT natural selection.  A 
process that does not confer a survival advantage is NOT natural selection.  
Survival is the criteria for natural selection.  An individual has no mechanism 
wherein it can decide which change to retain or to not retain.  The change is 
retained and acts only if the individual survives.  I can not emphasize this 
enough.

    10. The change must enable the individual to "outsurvive" other individuals 
in his group.  It is not enough to merely allow the individual to survive, but 
it must cause that individual to "outsurvive" others.  If it is not 
outsurviving other individuals, the change will merely get diluted in the gene 
pool and lost.


    In the next post, I will define the difference between Microevolution (aka 
Adaptation) and Macroevolution (aka Darwinian Evolution).


    Enjoy

    Jojo



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