Steven, I am relunctantly engaging in these off-topic posts to make a point. Since, you and Jed refuse to moderate your off-topic posts despite my numerous pleas, I am now doing this to make a point and settle a bet with Terry. That there is a double standard that exists in Vortex-L. If there is none and I loose the bet, I take Terry and Jed out to an expensive lunch. That's all.
Yes, you may be correct in calling me a Creationist; but one thing you need to realize is this: This debate is about Darwinian Evolution and Intelligent Design. And Intelligent Design is NOT Creationism. Many IDers may be creationists but ID says nothing about a God, a creator. It simply says that what we see points to an "Intelligence" designing it. No mention of who or what that Intelligence might be. If you claim that the Universe itself is the organizing Intelligence, that belief would be compatible with ID. Yes, I believe in the Biblical account of creation. I do not know exactly when because the Bible does not say, but many Biblical scholars seems to think that they can back compute human genealogy and point to creation as having occurred about 6000 years ago. I don't know, but this date seems to be consistent with other Biblical teachings. Fact is, the observed facts in geology is neutral. It does not say the Earth was coalesced 4.5 billion years ago. This date is simply the interpretation of people when they interpret the facts thru their "Darwinian world view" filter. In other words, they start with the world view that Darwinian Evolution is True, hence their observed facts must be interpreted as billions year age. I mentioned the Grand Canyon before. It is equally a valid explanation that the Grand Canyon was carved by the great Noah flood. Yet this explanation is rejected in favor of "millions of years of erosion of the Colorado river" explanation. Why is the later accepted and the former rejected. It is because the explanation is filtered by the world view the geologist have. Jojo ----- Original Message ----- From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 1:50 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]:The Fallacies of Darwinian Evolution - Basic Definitions Jojo, You strike me as having been seduced by the dark side of the Vort Collective and now willing to participate in some of your favorite Off-Topic discussions – including the generation of a few of your own. A good scrappy discussion can occasionally be a refreshing treat for many here, as long as everyone adheres to basic netiquette rules and ad-hominine attacks are kept out of the picture. BTW, why aren’t you prefixing the subject threads with “OT”? * * * I must confess the fact that I have not read the entire thread, so maybe I may have missed the fact that you have already touched on the following points: You give me the impression that you are much more sympathetic to a Creationist perspective - that geological formations like the Grand Canyon were created suddenly, such as from the accounts of “The Great Flood.” Please correct me if I am in error on such matters. What is your explanation for the scientific implications that come out of scientific measurements deduced from radioactive decay, such as carbon dating? I guess I’m trying to assess whether it is your belief that the world was created, in geological terms, very recently (i.e. Genesis) as compared to what is currently the accepted “scientific” POV, that the world coalesced approximately 4.5 billion years ago. BTW, I assume you are aware of the Creation Museum, located down in Kentucky: http://creationmuseum.org/ I’d love to visit the museum. I think it would be a real hoot. Of course, as you might expect, not everyone is in agreement with the conclusions that have been presented: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wzjjxi7f0Oc http://whatever.scalzi.com/2007/11/12/your-creation-museum-report/ Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionwork
