I am familiar with genetic programming.  Richard Dawkins like to use these to 
point out that an "evolutionary" approach works to reach certain results.  
While interesting, it has nothing much to do with the real Darwinian Evolution. 
 If anything, genetic programming proves that Darwinian Evolution is faulty.  
Why?  Because in the end, genetic programming requires intelligence to set the 
goal or criteria of the algorithm.  Random processes can not decide what the 
final goal is.

Darwinists always like to misrepresent what Natural Selection can do.  It's as 
if Natural Selection is this all encompassing process that can decide "a 
priori" what the good results are.   They always like to imply that Natural 
Selection can somehow foresee a future result and work toward it.  No, natural 
selection does not work that way.  Natural selection can not decide between any 
of the many future results.  It takes intelligence and the foresight of 
Intelligence to do that.  Natural Selection simply chooses those who survive, 
each generation along the way;  and survival is not necessary the best of all 
possible outcomes.

Genetic algorithms does not in any way have the foresight to determine what the 
best results are.  In fact, many of the claimed successes of genetic 
programming can be solved more efficiently by more deterministic algorithms.  
Genetic algorithms are "simulations", and simulation program are not the best 
way to solve problems.  Simulation implies the random testing of results based 
on random inputs to the problem.  Not the best way.

And before you claim you know more about programming than I, let me just say 
I'm an Electrical Engineer and I have programmed many times before.

Jojo


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Colin Hercus 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 4:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Fallacies of Darwinian Evolution - Genetic Improbability


  Hi Jojo,

  You might also read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_programming  and 
some of the related links. 

  Colin


  On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Jojo Jaro <[email protected]> wrote:

    Amino Acids are just the building blocks, the letters of the alphabet for 
building complex protein molecules.  You have to chain them correctly in the 
proper sequence to get even the simplest protein of 50 animo acids.  The 
chances of this occuring randomly is staggering in its own right, let alone 
come up with 300-500 of these proteins to come up with the simplest 
self-replicating life.  

    Having amino acids is a far cry from the simplest protein and definitely a 
far far far cry to the simplest life form.  It's like saying since we found the 
letters A - Z, the novel "Romeo and Juliet" can be easily found also.

    I have read your wikipedia articles, and I am suitably "impressed" by the 
level of its scholarship and integrity.


    Jojo


      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Colin Hercus 
      To: [email protected] 
      Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 2:45 PM
      Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Fallacis of Darwinian Evolution - Genetic 
Improbability


      Hi Jojo,

      I'd hate to say I read it on Wikipedia, but there's also more scientific 
sources than that. I'm not about to go do the research for you, I suggest you 
check it out yourself. Abiogenesis is a problem and scientists are working on 
it. That's a lot of why we looking for life on other planets, other solar 
systems and in extreme environments on earth.  Amino acids have been found in 
comet tails, they're really not that complicated. 

      Colin



      On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Jojo Jaro <[email protected]> wrote:

        You don't know that.  But even if it was, that still does not solve 
your abiogenesis problem.


          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Colin Hercus 
          To: [email protected] 
          Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 1:40 PM
          Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Fallacis of Darwinian Evolution - Genetic 
Improbability





          On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Jojo Jaro <[email protected]> wrote:

            Abd, I appreciate your comments.

            After reading your post below and rereading it and rereading it 
several times, I am still at a lost on what you are contending.  Please restate 
your contentions in simpler prose that dumb people like me can understand.

            Yes, While we know that amino acids can be created from non-life 
simple hydrocarbons, the conditions do not match known earth atmospheric 
conditions.  I believe you are alluding to the Urey-Miller experiment where 
they successfully created amino acids from base molecular H20 and some simple 
hydrocarbons.  But one thing you need to realize, it never created any 
self-replicating molecules, it never create any "life"

            The Urey-Miller experiment was successful but did not simulate the 
correct conditions.  For one, it was performed on a "Reducing" Atmosphere of 
hydrocarbon gases, not the oxidative atmosphere with oxygen.  When the 
experiment was redone with oxygen, the oxidizing action of oxygen destroyed the 
animo acids just as quickly as it was created.  Hence, the experiment was 
designed on top of faulty assumptions.

          No, the earths atmosphere was reducing before we had photo synthesis 




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