I watched a video interview of Rohner. It was interesting to see his apparatus, the single cylinder that he fires by pushing a button, and the method of measuring the force applied by the cylinder firing. If that force is even over the distance of motion of the cylinder, which was shown and which would be easily measured, then the energy release involved in the chamber reaction is calculable.

The interview was done by a fellow who has a totally new theory of physics that purports to explain the Papp engine. However, he didn't actually show or ask the most important questions about the engine. How much energy is supplied by the spark plugs, with each stroke? And how much energy is shown by the measurement method? That is, for each cycle, what is the net energy release?

There were other imnporant unasked questions.

It was as if the fact that the piston moved was OMG! AMAZING! That, right there, served to nail it for me that this joker had no clue. Rohner himself seemed utterly inarticulate, which doesn't mean much. Lots of people can do stuff they can't explain in words.

The history of the Papp engine should put all of us into a very cautious position. Lots of people, with Joseph Papp, were very, very impressed, and invested buckets of money. All lost, because of Papp's behavior.

Papp, is seems very likely, faked his submarine "accident," when he found that he couldn't do what he'd promised. He apparently later shot himself in the shoulder, claiming he was kidnapped and shot, when he was having trouble with a demonstration of the engine. If he would do those things, which we must consider possible, given his general behavior and personality, then he could have faked any of it. (people who are very afraid that others are going to cheat them will then justify whatever they, themselves, do, because it is necessary in context, lest "they" win.)

I'm fully aware of the attractiveness of the Papp engine. The story of the Feynman fiasco lends credence to its reality. Yet there was always something that stopped Papp from completing his work and coming up with a real commercial product. Most of all, Papp himself seemed to be the obstacle. In order to have a commercial engine, he needed to disclose how it worked, and he was terrified that if he disclosed it, he'd be cheated. The extremity of this is that even when he was dying from cancer, he did not disclose the secret.

We cannot, unfortunately, trust the Rohner claims. However, Rohner is totally welcome to create a demonstration kit, and apparently he is. If so, then we should all know very soon about whether or not this thing works. I have, in fact, suggested that Rossi and Defkalion, even if having problems creating a reliable system, ready for full commercialization, could patent and make *demonstration models* that don't have to be large-scale or even particularly reliable, as long as they are cheap enough and work often enough. Your kit doesn't work? No problem, return it and we will send you another. We see this with about 10% of the kits this month. We're getting better....

I'm not going to pony up a few hundred dollars and the necessary time to buy and build a kit, but there are people for whom that would be entertainment money. Be careful, though! Remember what happened to the hapless engineer who got creamed by a piece of the exploding Papp engine. Messy.

If the kit is a single cylinder like in the video, maybe it's safe enough. But I'd still like to have some barrier between me and the cylinder, given that *we don't really know what's going on in there.* What if it blows up, seriously overproducing pressure, one time in a thousand?

But with more experience, that possibility can be ruled out.

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