At 11:17 PM 8/16/2012, Axil Axil wrote:
I am putting two and two together here. The Papp engine ash was a
brown powder.
Thanks for letting us know that this was your speculation, not a
conclusion from strong evidence.
J Ronner talks about a two helium atom fusion process.
And what J Rohner (I presume that was a mispelling) says about the
process has as much -- or does it have more -- reliability than an
angry monkey typiing would have? Rohner has said a lot that quite
simply is not true when investigated. It starts with simple things,
such as the availability of videos. But it continues with many
examples of stuff that was, ah, a tad exaggerated. If we can call
claiming to have a running test engines is an exaggeration if you
only have "test engines" that may not have run at all. He's admitted
to that whopper (last year, to PESN). Or claiming to have 2 MIT PhDs,
but, when challenged, apparently, says they are "secret" and his
resume now claims his education is irrelevant.
Fine. It might be irrelevant, but why then did he claim the PhDs? Why
did he claim the running test engines? He says why. He "had to say
*something* or investors would bail. That's called fraud. Saying what
you think an investor wants to hear, when it isn't the truth, to
induce them to maintain or make investments. Someone will nail him on
this, I suspect, eventually. (However, he might be adequately covered
by various agreements. We have to remember that it isn't illegal to
lie, under some conditions. I'm just saying that we can't rely on
what the man says for anything. If he says it's 3 PM, look at the
clock before agreeing.)
Basically, J Rohner's company, Inteligentry, is offering a "popper
kit," which, if it's real, would actually be an engine, albeit a
single-stroke one. $350 for the electronics package, including coils
and spark plugs, and the kit includes plans for the piston assembly,
and the fuel formula (taken from the patent). He claims this device
is what they used to test fuel and the electronic protocol to fire
the thing, and that is sensible and believable. However, unlike the
competing Bob Rohner, John hasn't shown even a single firing of the
Popper. Caveat emptor. I consider that we would need to be aware of
the possibility that the John Rohner kit is actually a Bob Rohner
killer, aimed at discrediting his brother when the kit fails.
Crazy? Sure. *But these people are crazy." At least John is, that's
obvious. That has nothing to do with whether or not his various
claims are true. Some of them might be. Indeed, he might be
responding to long-standing family dysfunction. Lots of crazy people are.
I still don't see any significant evidence for "nuclear." The level
of energy released is sometimes cited as evidence for nuclear, but
really all that, if established, would show is "not chemical." Some
brown powder isn't evidence for nuclear unless we actually know what
the powder is.
Cold fusion was not actually established as nuclear until helium was
identified as the predominant ash. Then we could say it was nuclear,
and we could even go further because of the specific value of the
correlation between anomalous heat and helium production. It was
"fusion." Because I'm being watched ("they" are under every rock),
I'll point out that "fusion" does not just refer to "d-d fusion," and
the correlation value (estimated at 25+/-5 MeV/He-4 by Storms, 2007
and 2010) would result from any reaction that converts deuterium to
helium, no matter what intermediates are involved. That conversion is
called "fusion." Fusion is the term for a whole class of reactions,
not just one.
However, interesting speculation, perhaps:
This type fusion does not produce energy in fusing to boron8
atoms. But all boron isotopes under B11 will decay by fission.
There are two conceivable ways in which the excited state in
boron-8 could decay by emitting one proton, making a brief pit stop
at beryllium-7. However, one of these ways is energy forbidden and
the other does not conserve isospin.
While conserving isospin is not a hard and fast rule, if there is
any other way for the nucleus to decay, it will jump at that
alternative. In this case the alternative, one that is both energy
and isospin allowed, is to decay by emitting two protons in one step
to an excited state in lithium-6, which is itself an isobaric-analog
of the ground state of helium-6. Recently, this decay mode was
observed for the first time by emitting two protons at the same
time between isobaric analog states.
To make a long story short, the fusion of 2 He atoms will possibly
end up with a number of sub atomic particles and one helium atom.
Another energetic path (the triple proton chain) is as follows:
1. B8 -> Be8 + positron + neutrino (followed by spontaneous decay...)
2. Be8 -> 2He4(18.074 MeV)
There is some unknowns involving boron 8 decay as follows:
For example, nuclei of boron-8 in the sun decay by spitting out an
antielectron and an electron neutrino, and theorists can predict the
number of such low-energy solar neutrinos.
Researchers measured the actual number in the 1960s, counting rare
events in which a chlorine nucleus in a tank of dry-cleaning fluid
absorbed an electron neutrino and emitted an electron. They found
only one-third as many electron neutrinos as predicted, suggesting
that the particles were turning into something else during their
trip from the sun to Earth.
Cheers: Axil
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
Source for your info on boron? If adjusted out somehow, what is the
ash now? Does it vary with settings? Do we know? How?
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 16, 2012, at 9:53 PM, Axil Axil
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
The Papp engine produced boron as ash, but it was grossly
inefficient. J Rohner improved the timing to eliminate the atomic
pollution through nuclear recombination.
Cheers: Axil
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:47 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
At 05:04 PM 8/15/2012, Axil Axil wrote:
The refuel process adds noble gas instead of replacing it. This
on-the-fly refuel means that there is no buildup of reaction ash as
is normal in all other LENR devices.
If this thing works, it doesn't sound at all like LENR. I don't see
any basis for "nuclear." So far.
