These are not indictments of the device in the video I cited. Is device in that video, whether or not legitimately claimed by Magniwork, Lutec or others, a device that has been shown to be incapable of self-sustaining motion? If it has been so shown, where is the demonstration of that fact?
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Mark Goldes <mgol...@chavaenergy.com> wrote: > They keep changing but here are a few of the stories... > > http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Buyer_Beware > > > Magniwork > > Feature: Electromagnetic / Buyer Beware > Magniwork > > Open letter to Clickbank regarding Magniwork scam involvement -- > Warning of possible legal action - For the past year, Magniwork and others > have been using Clickbank to sell $49 DIY plans for a device alleged to > cost less than $100 in parts and which can power a house. Clickbank > continues to allow this to go on, despite our warnings that the plans are > bogus and that we've received no evidence to support the claim. (PESN; May > 24, 2010) > > Electromagnetic > Magniwork > > Magniwork Energy internet scam - Internet fraudsters are raking in > thousands of dollars a day with a scam selling plans for what alleges to be > an electromagnetic free energy machine capable of powering a house. One > estimate puts sales of the guide as high as 5,000 copies a month, making > the scam worth up to $3m a year. (Off-Grid; Oct. 8, 2009) [We've not yet > received a scrap of evidence supporting the claims.] > > Featured: Buyer Beware > Electromagnetic > Magniwork > > ACTION: Report Magniwork (Scam) Ads to Google and Clickbank - Easy > steps presented for you to be able to lodge a complaint about the > fraudsters who are selling plans for what alleges to be an inexpensive > electromagnetic free energy machine capable of powering a house, though no > supporting evidence has been given. Let's stop these hucksters who prey on > the free energy believers and give the field a bad name. (PESWiki; Nov. 5, > 2009) > > Buyer Beware > Electromagnetic > Magniwork > > Lutec Disavows Magniwork - Lutec posted the following notice on their > home page in a marquee text: [all caps] "Be Warned - 'Magniwork' is not > related in any way to Lutec Australia, doe not sell plans for our equipment > and is not authorized to use our videos on their site!" (PESWiki; Nov. 10, > 2009) > > Featured: Electromagnetic > Bedini SG > > Magniwork free energy plans = bogus claim; say they'll remedy that - > Magniwork has been selling a set of plans for a free energy device they say > could be scaled to power an entire house. However, it turns out that the > device is nothing more than the Bedini SG circuit, which, though > interesting, has never been embodied in a self-looped system with energy > left over for practical use. They've apologized and removed the Bedini > stuff. (PESWiki; June 2, 2009) > > > Mark > > Mark Goldes > Co-founder, Chava Energy > CEO, Aesop Institute > 301A North Main Street > Sebastopol, CA 95472 > > www.chavaenergy.com > www.aesopinstitute.org > > 707 861-9070 > 707 497-3551 fax > ________________________________________ > From: James Bowery [jabow...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 2:57 PM > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine > > It looks very similar to the device currently under discussion in that it > has a ramp of magnets with a discontinuity at the full cycle. > > Are they the same scam? > > Where can one read about the "well known scam"? > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Mark Goldes <mgol...@chavaenergy.com > <mailto:mgol...@chavaenergy.com>> wrote: > That site is the latest version of a well known scam. > > > Mark Goldes > Co-founder, Chava Energy > CEO, Aesop Institute > 301A North Main Street > Sebastopol, CA 95472 > > www.chavaenergy.com<http://www.chavaenergy.com> > www.aesopinstitute.org<http://www.aesopinstitute.org> > > 707 861-9070<tel:707%20861-9070> > 707 497-3551<tel:707%20497-3551> fax > ________________________________________ > From: James Bowery [jabow...@gmail.com<mailto:jabow...@gmail.com>] > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 2:49 PM > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine > > The video at this site clearly shows accelleration. > > http://diymagneticmotor.com/ > > That pretty much rules out the "low friction" argument. > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Harry Veeder <hveeder...@gmail.com<mailto: > hveeder...@gmail.com><mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com<mailto: > hveeder...@gmail.com>>> wrote: > According to standard physics, it is impossible to design a magnetic > motor that won't get stuck after a few turns. Therefore, questions > about how much was energy was needed to assemble the device distract > from the real significance of the demonstration. Either this is a hoax > OR the device is really able to overcome the sticking problem and turn > indefinitely. > > > > harry > > > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 1:33 PM, James Bowery <jabow...@gmail.com<mailto: > jabow...@gmail.com><mailto:jabow...@gmail.com<mailto:jabow...@gmail.com>>> > wrote: > > Has anyone tried to do any arithmetic here? > > > > I mean to even an order of magnitude? > > > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Harry Veeder <hveeder...@gmail.com > <mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com><mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com<mailto: > hveeder...@gmail.com>>> wrote: > >> > >> Assuming no hidden power sources, the assumption is the work done > >> repeatedly lifting the magnets (and the rod at the side) will > >> eventually exceed the energy required to place the magnets in their > >> starting position. > >> > >> Harry > >> > >> On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 3:31 AM, Teslaalset <robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com > <mailto:robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com><mailto:robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com > <mailto:robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com>>> > >> wrote: > >> > This stuff is quite misleading. > >> > One has to put energy in first to get the moving magnet into its > >> > starting > >> > position. > >> > So there is no energy gain. > >> > > >> > > > > > >
