At 01:12 AM 12/26/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote:
My friend, just because your morality allows you to troll and lie in
wikipedia does not mean that I am like you.
I never lied on Wikipedia. I did one action that I allowed as a form
of trolling. It's more like what a soldier might do in a war, present
himself as a target so that a sniper betrays his position. There was
no lying involved, and the purpose wasn't actually to outrage.
The action itself was completely legitimate. In fact, here it is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cold_fusion&diff=prev&oldid=306930963
A talk page edit, not actually controversial, just providing information.
It worked. The admin took the bait, following his ego. And he lost
his privileges as a result. My purpose was to allow him to do that,
to take himself out of the Wikipedia adminstrative corps, where he'd
been doing damage for years. Mostly, Jojo's not realized this, he'd
been acting to harass and ban global warming skeptics, but he was
also generally allied with the pseudoskeptics when it comes to
anything fringe or psychic. He was famous, probably the most famous
abusive Wikipedia administrator.
There was no purpose to insult him. The edit had nothing to do with
him, except that he'd declared a total ban, something he did not
actually have the authority to do. And we were in the middle of a
case, over whether the ban was legitimate. His action showed a total
loss of balance, and even his friends were backpedalling, distancing
themselves from it.
Stop the off-topic posts and I will go away never to post here
again, but I will read. I am sacrificing my participation, my
chance to ask questions if the chronic off-topic violators would
simply stop their abuses. JUST DO IT.
"Off-topic posts" are not going to stop, period. These threads might
stop. But these threads are maintained by Jojo's continued insistence
on the points he makes in them.
Clearly you understood Bill's no off-topic rule cause you quoted
parts of it here and still claim that I am lying about it. You are
such a blatant liar. I'm not surprised.
I quoted the rules, and I didn't just quote parts, I quoted the
entire set, as far as I know. I don't recall having say that Jojo was
lying about the rules, only that they don't contain what he claimed.
Since I don't know if he even read the rules recently, I have no idea
whether he lied or not. He was merely incorrect or misled.
I'm leaving the relevant part of the post to which Jojo was
responding, so that it can be seen that he is incorrect in his claim
that I said he was lying about the rules. I don't see any reference
to lying. When he said I "still claimed" that he was "lying," was he
lying, or was he so engaged in his anger and attack that he wasn't
aware of what was in front of him?
Jojo
----- Original Message ----- From: "Abd ul-Rahman Lomax" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age
[...]
If Bill changes the rules, I will follow. But in the meantime,
people should follow his rules and not "make it up as we go" - as
famously said by one chronic off-topic poster here.
Jojo
So, what are the rules? I don't know if they have been changed, but
below is what I was sent. There *are* rules that could easily be
applied to this situation. Some of the rules were obviously written
long ago, because behind some of the rules are conditions that used
to apply, that hardly ever apply any more. "Off-topic" isn't a
rule, per se. What is there related to that is
3. Small email files please. The limit is set to 40K right now, those
exceeding the limit will be forwarded to Bill Beaty. If you wish to
start extremely off-topic discussions, please feel free to exchange
initial messages on vortex-L, but MOVE THE DISCUSSION TO PRIVATE MAIL
IMMEDIATELY. Some members are on limited service, or have to pay for
received email. Diagrams and graphics can be mailed to me and posted
on a webpages for temporary viewing.
In other words, "starting extremely off-topic discussions" is
specifically allowed, but the instruction is to "move these to
private email immediately." That does not resolve a certain
problem, where a poster has posted something to the list which is
broadly offensive. It assumes what is really a private discussion
that merely starts here.
I'm not "discussing" with Jojo, not any more. I responding to his
egregiously offensive claims here that attack all Muslims and what
they believe, that attack the President of the United States, that
attack almost the entire community of climate scientists, and that
personally attack and deliberately insult anyone who dares to
disagree with him, including many long-term participants on this
list, such as Jed Rothwell.
He's acknowledged it, even today. This is what he does. He escalates.
I have *not* started these off-topic threads, generally. Only very
recently, I started *this thread* and the like, to address the
problem of massive trolling. That's been made necessary by
administrative neglect. Bill is obviously busy elsewhere. I highly
recommend that he delegate some of the list responsibilities, he
could overrule a moderator decision if necessary. Frankly, I hope he's okay.
The rule that is really more on-point is NO SNEERING. And that rule
has been *routinely* violated by Jojo. He'll claim the same about
me, I'm sure, but he also claims that about many here. He perceives
sneering at the drop of a phrase. And his response is to sneer
back, escalated, drastically. And Jojo sneers spontaneously, with
no apparent trigger to justify "sneering back."
The rules:
[and then I quoted the whole welcome message]
