>>That energy leaving the massive star becomes trapped within the >>space surrounding it to a significant degree; how is this possible >>unless space itself has expanded to accommodate it?
>No, the energy is not trapped. Light continues to travel at the speed of light. Actually Abd, a photon has a finite amount of energy that is directly proportional to its frequency. If it becomes red shifted by definition it has less energy. Since the photon looses energy as it travels through the region from the edge of the black hole toward our observation point, that energy must be stored within this space. We could collect each photon with a detector after it leaved the vicinity of the black hole and we would find that it is less energetic. So no, it does not continue forever at the same energy. >Then the photon will continue to infinity. I thought that your idea >was supposed to be a way to communicate information from within the >event horizon to outside, by positing a ship that is outside of our >horizon, but sees an event horizon closer, and the second ship is >within our horizon -- we can't communicate with it -- but outside of >the first ship's horizon. One thing at a time Abd. The main plan is to communicate if possible, but this explains part of the problem and why it happens. Every once in a while it makes sense to look at the overall system. >It's like any photon. It travels until it reaches the end of time. >I.e., forever, and a day. Its energy remains intact, but because of >the red-shift, the energy is spread out more. No. If the photon becomes red shifted, energy is lost from that photon. If the red shift is total down to zero, no energy remains. >What do we have in terms of observation of black holes? Sorry if it sounded like I had observations of them. I was just asking if others might as I do not. >It has to be. However, I don't know that any such object has been >observed. All the spectral lines would be shifted. We might conclude >that the object is a a great distance, and the only way we'd know >that it wasn't would be if we could detect graviational effects other >than red shift. This is a good question for the astronomers. Perhaps they are seeing these things and are not aware of it. It is hard to imagine that there are not a large number of these out there unless they tend to explode before reaching this size range. It might not be a bad idea for the astronomers to take a second look at what is referred to as failed stars or other unusual thermal objects. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <[email protected]> To: vortex-l <[email protected]>; vortex-l <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Dec 27, 2012 9:26 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:[OT]:Question About Event Horizon
