Harry Veeder <[email protected]> wrote:

> That is, an effect in which a prognosis improves because the patients
>> think they are being treated when they are actually taking by fake medicine
>> (something with no efficacy). One hypothesis is that people respond well
>> because they think the doctor cares for them or is concerned about their
>> well-being.
>>
>>
>
> Another theory is that if the patient believes the pill is effective, it
> will be effective.
>

That is what I meant. That's the same thing. The tests where they give the
patient nothing prove that is not the case.



> success. The placebo and the treatment have no effect on the outcome.
>>
>>
> what was the malady?
>

I do not recall. I think there have been several studies. Ethically, I
think they are limited to non-threatening diseases that have no effective
treatment. I guess that would be things like back pain.



> Maybe this disproves the theory that belief in a pill can be effective,
> but there are all sorts of mind states that do contribute to well being.
>

I doubt that. If voluntary, controllable mind states could contribute to
well being, I think that would be readily apparent, and we would all use
mind states to ameliorate disease. I have read other studies that show that
the patient's attitude and degree of optimism or pessimism has no impact on
outcome of serious diseases such as cancer.

It is widely believed that the patient should "fight" cancer, or that a
brave or positive attitude will increase the likelihood of survival. The
studies I saw tested this hypothesis. The researchers assumed the prognosis
would be improved with a positive outlook but they found no evidence for
that. The results were a surprise and a disappointment to the researchers,
which makes me think the results were real. It increases credibility. The
is not the result of wishful thinking.

The placebo studies involved a pill, but also a kind word from a doctor or
nurse. The hypothesis was it was the latter which had the effect. The
control was no pill and a simple statement from the doctor along the lines
of: "Go home and call us if doesn't go away in a week." I suppose even that
would be reassuring. I would think, "it can't be serious if they are
sending me home empty-handed."

- Jed

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