Hi Ed,
I got lost trying to address everything so am just going to
focus on this paragraph [snip] Just how the field can cause a force is
difficult to explain. Photons obviously do not work as an explanation. Now you
suggest that the force is related to gravity and inertia. This seems to be an
odd kind of force to invoke. Gravity passes right through ordinary matter yet,
if it causes the Casimir force, it can apparently transfer momentum when a
small gap is created. Inertia only occurs when the velocity of mass is changed.
I see no connection between the behaviors.[/snip]
I feel your pain because the creation of a real photon is one of the
possibilities that suppression of vacuum wavelengths can lead to as
demonstrated by recent experiments with SQUIDS cited by Jones.. It can also
lead to anomalous radioactive decay of gases exposed to the confinement.
According to "Cavity
QED"<http://th-www.if.uj.edu.pl/acta/vol27/pdf/v27p2409.pdf> by Zofia
Bialynicka-Birula it also breaks the isotropy of gravity meaning gas atoms will
receive the changes in momentum as they pass between regions with different
gravitational constants - at the macro scale it would be like force fields we
could step thru where gravity is different on each side.. the agitation we feel
stepping between gravity fields is analogues to DCE or catalytic action. The
theory that space inside a Casimir cavity modifies gravity was first proposed
by Di Fiore et all in a 2002 paper "Vacuum fluctuation force on a rigid Casimir
cavity in a gravitational field<http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0109091>". They
proposed the possibility of verifying the equivalence principle for the
zero-point energy of quantum electrodynamics, by evaluating the force, produced
by vacuum fluctuations, acting on a rigid Casimir cavity in a weak
gravitational field. Their calculations show a resulting force has opposite
direction with respect to the gravitational acceleration. They stacked numerous
cavities in an attempt to modify macro gravity but were unable to prove their
claims.. My posit of a relativistic interpretation of Casimir force would agree
that their experiment should have failed because "suppression" only
"segregates" vacuum pressures and for every concentrated region in a cavity
there will be an equal and opposite diluted region dispersed over the exterior
area of the plates to balance out any bias from accumulating. The opportunity
is there to expose physical matter such as gas atoms to these regions in a
biased manner to accumulate effects but the cavities themselves will always
balance out to zero. My posit is that these vacuum wavelengts are
electromagnetic but traveling transverse to our 3D plane and thereby escape
any Faraday caging, intersecting with all physical matter in our universe as if
we were an ant farm or thin ribbon. When a 3d cavity is suppressed to near 2d
these wavelengths can somewhat modify their angle of incidence to this "ribbon"
in the same manner as an object with a velocity approaching C changes it's
angle of incidence in a Pythagorean relationship to C.
All the clues say these are relativistic effects but we are reluctant to
embrace all that implies...
Regards
Fran
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com]
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Fran, I combined your two responses.
As I understand, an attraction is measured between two materials, which is
sensitive to the kind of material and the distance between them. That is the
only observation on which this complex theory is based. Chemical attraction is
known to occur, but assumptions are made about how to subtract this force.
People assume that corrections have been properly made for the chemical force.
If no other explanation had been suggested, all of the force would have been
attributed to chemical attraction. But, people want to assume that something
exists in vacuum space that can be detected. So they assume some of this force
is caused by this proposed energy field.
Just how the field can cause a force is difficult to explain. Photons obviously
do not work as an explanation. Now you suggest that the force is related to
gravity and inertia. This seems to be an odd kind of force to invoke. Gravity
passes right through ordinary matter yet, if it causes the Casimir force, it
can apparently transfer momentum when a small gap is created. Inertia only
occurs when the velocity of mass is changed. I see no connection between the
behaviors.
If the gap has a critical size, quantum interference is proposed to stop a flux
of something, thereby creating an unbalanced force. But, the field does not
interact with ordinary material, so how does the force become unbalanced such
that it will interact with the atoms in the material? In addition, if a flux
of something is stopped, where does its energy go? If something is moving such
that it can cause something else to move (create a force), then energy is
involved in the process. This is a basic condition. When that motion is
stopped, the energy must be converted to a different form. Something else must
move, thereby creating heat, which is caused by random motion of atoms.
Hand-waving using the idea of quantum effects that are invisible and impossible
for people to imagine seems like a copout to me. Whatever happens at the
quantum level and whatever its cause, the result later enters our non-quantum
reality and has to be consistent with the laws we know operate in the normal
reality. Conservation of energy is one of these basic laws. If energy exists in
the vacuum and if this energy can be experienced in our reality, than the
process must be consistent with the Law of Conservation of Energy. The energy
lost by the source, i.e. vacuum, must be equal to the energy acquired by the
material being studied. So, a description of the Casimir effect must show
exactly how this energy transfer occurs. Instead, the description seems to
ramble, use obscure concepts, and gives no insight. This is worse than the
descriptions of cold fusion. :-)
Fran, no gas atoms are present, as you incorrectly describe below. The Casimir
effect is caused in vacuum. Consequently, I have no idea what you are talking
about and what rectifying energy means. You are wandering off into totally
confusing ideas and descriptions. You introduce behavior into the discussion
that has no relationship to observation and is real only in your imagination,
yet you state it as fact. Consequently, I have no idea how to respond.
Ed
On May 19, 2013, at 7:51 PM, francis wrote:
Ed,
I have been without pc all weekend but see that Mark and Jones
made a far better response than I could have managed, someone made reference to
the Haisch Rhueda paper on inertia which bears heavily on your questions about
if this is normal photon radiation ... if they are correct than it is not
photon radiation. We are talking about the same waveforms that are responsible
for gravity and inertia and this is why there is no Farady shielding,
everything is permeated at 90 degrees to the physical plane, these waveforms
approach and depart from a nonphysical dimension like time winking into and out
of existence only as they cross through the Present. I suspect that HUP or
jitter is just these virtual particles growing into then contracting out of our
3d ant farm plane and the random displacement of all physical matter from
within the tiniest subatomic particles on up in response to these inter
dimensional interlopers. According to Puthoff these virtual particles create a
pressure that is responsible for the ground state of everything from quarks up
to and beyond the periodic table, they form a sea or river, a medium that he
believes can be engineered using Casimir geometry with other techniques to
concentrate and extend this natural phenomenon we see commonly all around us in
the form of colloids like mayonnaise or the stiction we see making it difficult
to sort nanotubes. My posit is that we are causing breaks in micro gravity..
cavity QED says the isotropy can be broken at this geometry where the inverse
of Casimir boundary spacing cubed can trump the normal square law we experience
as denizens of a gravity well in the macro world. When Jones mentioned dynamic
Casimir effect in regards to recent evidence using transistor like device
called SQUIDS they are effectively moving one of the Casimir boundaries at
luminal velocities. In these metal powders or skeletal cats the conjecture is
that there are boundaries everywhere and of different sizes, a tapestry of
different suppression values that the gas atoms are migrating through with the
help of the "normally" unusable energy called gas motion....
Fran
Hi Ed,
There is no heat generated by an empty cavity, it is only when gas atoms
passing through this cavity environment react with the quantum effect of the
walls and each other that anomalous energy is released. When Jones cited the
importance of DCE it also underlined the importance for changes in casimir
force to result in any net energy capture... Many people, myself included, are
convinced that this translation between different geometries must be
accomplished in an asymmetrical manner to rectify any energy..if atoms come in,
translate to different geometries and then exit the NAE without any
interactions / reactions there will be no energy release. In the MACRO world it
would be silly to construct a device that performs half a cycle at no gravity
and then lands on a planet to perform the other half cycle because you are
doing the work with your ships propulsion system. OTOH in the NANO world we are
suggesting a way to exploit HUP/gas motion to perform equivalent propulsion
while exploiting gravity warps created by quantum effects /geometry. We don't
have to wait for the slow square law of a gravity well to accomplish chain
because this geometry trumps the square law and creates breaches in the
isotropy that equate to sudden jumps in a particles position within the gravity
well..or actually the gravity hill in this case as we outside the cavity
represent the bottom of a well even if we were free floating in space.
Supression allows us to warp space time negative relative to zero gravity. My
point being we can create or self assemble a bulk powder device with conditions
like my silly analogy of half cycles using a spaceship without supplying any
propulsion energy..the reacting gas atoms only have to move between different
breaks in the isotropy and that motion is supplied for free by HUP.
