As Dr. Storms has already tried NiAl, I'm giving the following a
try: Constantan wire with aluminum wire twisted around it in
electrolysis with KOH. It appears to be producing hydrogen very
vigorously at the cathode. I've also considered wrapping nickel in
aluminum foil. Seems like it can't hurt to have more hydrogen
available for loading, but I don't know that this will be
advantageous compared with a gas-loaded cell.
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 6:55 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint <[email protected]
> wrote:
Agreed, and it *is* only a matter of time...
but can they please hurry up since I want to see it happen!
-m
-----Original Message-----
From: Jones Beene [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 4:13 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Nickel Aluminum (NiAl)
Mark,
A force is provocative -- but a dynamic effect is what we want to
see for
"free" energy.
Recently, the DCE or dynamical Casimir effect has been shown to be
real
http://phys.org/news/2013-03-nihilo-dynamical-casimir-effect-metamaterial.ht
ml
Is it only a matter of time... ?
-----Original Message-----
From: MarkI-ZeroPoint
Let's put some numbers to it...
From Dr. Milonni's YouTube presentation:
F = ((pi^2)*hbar*c) / (240d^4) (force per unit area, Casimir original
derivation in 1948)
F = 0.013 dyne for 1cm square plates separated by 1um.
Which is comparable to the Coulomb force on the electron in the H
atom.
-mark
-----Original Message-----
From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 3:12 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Nickel Aluminum (NiAl)
Hi Ed,
I want to extend a sincere thank you for engaging the inquisitive
minds here
and helping to focus some of the discussions. I have been too busy to
participate in what have been some very good exchanges, and
fortunately too
busy so as to avoid others! ;-) Most of the regular-posting Vorts
are
open-minded, but not without a healthy level of skepticism. We also
are not
concerned about discussing potentially 'career limiting/destroying'
topics.
I will be starting a new vortex thread and I want to ask (you) some
very
specific questions about the NAE; please look for it. Now on to your
question...
RE: "I assume its "normal" EM radiation?"
Not sure... but I don't think 'vacuum quantum fluctuations' are
considered
normal EM radiation.
I think the best (i.e., most accurate) explanation should come from
the
experts, like Lamoreaux and Peter Milonni (also LANL). The LANL
Directory
shows both as Retired Fellows... perhaps one of them is still in the
area,
and you could meet up for lunch to discuss in more detail?
Here's a youtube presentation by Dr. Milonni, and a few papers if
you want a
more accurate explanation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12yjbyunRdM
"Casimir Effects: Peter Milonni's lecture at the Institute for Quantum
Computing"
http://cnls.lanl.gov/casimir/PresentationsSF/Force_Control-talk.pdf
"Precise Measurements of the Casimir Force: Experimental Details"
(Presentation format so has excellent graphics)
http://cnls.lanl.gov/~dalvit/Talks_files/Piriapolis_09.pdf
"Towards Casimir force repulsion with metamaterials"
(Presentation format so has excellent graphics)
http://cnls.lanl.gov/~dcr/CasimirDrag_ContPhys.pdf
"... research suggesting that scattering quantum fluctuations might
cause
drag in a superfluid moving at any speed."
-Mark Iverson
-----Original Message-----
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 11:56 AM
To: [email protected]
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Nickel Aluminum (NiAl)
Thanks Mark, this is making more sense. But I have a few more
questions. I'm
sure all of these issues have been addressed.
I assume the radiation is normal photon radiation, but at a higher
frequency
than is normally encountered. When such radiation passes through a
material, the radiation is either absorbed, creating heat in the
material,
or it passes through without any change in energy or any effect on the
material. Your description proposes that a certain size gap blocks a
fraction of the radiation coming from a particular direction. In
other
words, the photons are stopped in the gap and their energy heats the
walls
of the gap. The other photons pass right through the material without
interacting or producing a force.
What produces the force? The photons that are captured by the gap
pass
through the material without interacting until they reach the gap.
Only at
the gap is their presence felt by the material, but in the form of
heat
energy. For a force to be felt by the material, the photons must
interact
and transfer momentum. Does this mean all vacuum photons change
direction
when passing through a material and the gap simply removes a
momentum vector
such that a net force remains perpendicular to the gap?
If this is the explanation, we have still another assumption - a
photon can
bounce off an atom without changing its energy (frequency) and in the
process transfer momentum to the atom while the photon goes in a
different
direction. Normally, a photon interacts with an electron, sending
it in a
different direction but at the same time ionizing the atom to which
the
electron was attached. Why does this process not occur when the vacuum
photons interact with matter?
Ed Storms
On May 17, 2013, at 11:22 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote:
> Ed:
> Two things...
>
> 1. I don't think Fran's explanation adequately explained the Casimir
> effect... (sorry Fran).
> Theory posits that the vacuum is made up of almost an infinite range
> of frequencies (some have proposed a cutoff frequency, probably
> approaching the Plank frequency). Closely spaced, parallel
conducting
> plates will ONLY exclude vacuum frequencies LARGER than the spacing
> between the plates. This is what creates the unbalanced forces
which
> want to push the plates together. All vacuum frequencies are
pushing
> on the outside surfaces of the plates, but a limited range of
> frequencies are between the plates, so forces pushing plates apart
is
> less than outside forces pushing plates together.
> This effect only becomes significant for very small plate
separation.
>
> 2. Empirical evidence for the Casimir effect is now fairly well
> established, and has been tested by several groups, including Steve
> Lamoreaux from your old stomping ground of Los Alamos. It has also
> become a practical issue now that nanotechnology has reached the
> commercialization stage. The following is from the Wikipedia
article:
> -------------
> One of the first experimental tests was conducted by Marcus Sparnaay
> at Philips in Eindhoven, in 1958, in a delicate and difficult
> experiment with parallel plates, obtaining results not in
> contradiction with the Casimir theory,[22][23] but with large
> experimental errors. Some of the experimental details as well as
some
> background information on how Casimir, Polder and Sparnaay arrived
at
> this point[24] are highlighted in a 2007 interview with Marcus
> Sparnaay.
>
> The Casimir effect was measured more accurately in 1997 by Steve K.
> Lamoreaux of Los Alamos National Laboratory,[25] and by Umar
Mohideen
> and Anushree Roy of the University of California at Riverside.[26]
In
> practice, rather than using two parallel plates, which would require
> phenomenally accurate alignment to ensure they were parallel, the
> experiments use one plate that is flat and another plate that is a
> part of a sphere with a large radius.
>
> In 2001, a group (Giacomo Bressi, Gianni Carugno, Roberto Onofrio
and
> Giuseppe Ruoso) at the University of Padua (Italy) finally succeeded
> in measuring the Casimir force between parallel plates using
> microresonators.[27]
> ---------------
>
> -Mark
>
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