Ed,
I will happily concede your point once the ash is found on a scale
approaching the energy released..but I was under the impression that to date
the amount of ash found in these anomalous heat claims has always been of
trivial amounts..am I wrong? perhaps they haven't looked hard enough but
perhaps also it just isn't there in sufficient quantity... what is your take on
the claims of cu ash for the Rossi device? If that ash is confirmed it would be
more of a transformation than fusion... My own theory remains ZPE even more so
now that radiation shielding has been eliminated from this latest experiment. I
think that like the MAHG the device exploits changes in state between H and H2
while diffusion is stimulated resulting in a discount of the disassociation
threshold that exceeds OU and tries to runaway- heat depleting the H2 reservoir
until diffusion outward allows cooling enough to reassociate.. and like the
MAHG very susceptible to self destruction. Whether just a bootstrap mechanism
to the nuclear processes others are suggesting or the predominate contributor I
remain undecided but I am convinced atomic forms of hydrogen recombining to
molecular forms are at the heart of this anomaly. Langmuir proved that this
procedure can even melt tungsten with arcing electrodes in open air [atomic
welding], and when you consider this happening inside a catalyst like Rayney
nickel or these Ni powders where resistive heating is used to bring the
molecules closer to disassociation... can almost see the runaway reaction as H2
reforms, giving off more heat then we used from resistors to disassociate .. My
theory being that diffusion through the catalyst region [tapestry of different
suppression values] discounts the disassociation level based on how different
the suppression level is from the level at which H2 molecule formed. Fractional
hydrogen or hydrinos or relativistic hydrogen or super catalytic action are all
names for this same effect.
Fran
-----Original Message-----
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 1:05 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:My evaluation of the Rossi test
Thanks Fran. It's nice to get an occasional agreement :-) However, how
do you propose to make helium and tritium from D and H by a process
other than fusion? Of course, the process is not like hot fusion, but
this does not remove another process that results in fusion as the
mechanism. The W/L mechanism is the only current published theory
that does not propose fusion, but this idea is so far from explaining
any observation, it can be ignored.
Ed Storms
On May 24, 2013, at 10:52 AM, Roarty, Francis X wrote:
> Ed,
> Good analysis and totally agree with your conclusions except for
> your description as a "fusion" process since that remains
> controversial would just call it an as yet "undetermined" process.
> [snip] , which allows the diffusion rate to drop enough to starve
> the fusion process of reactant and cool[/snip].
> Fran
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com]
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> Cc: Edmund Storms
> Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:My evaluation of the Rossi test
>
> A great deal of discussion has been generated by the Rossi test. I
> would liker to add my contribution.
>
> Rossi has demonstrated two very important behaviors of the effect.
>
> First, the effect can be initiated and sustained for a significant
> time at temperatures above 800° C. This means the NAE once formed is
> very stable. This degree of stability severely limits the theories
> that can be applied and eliminates most of the ones presently being
> explored.
>
> Second, he has shown that the effect can be effectively controlled by
> temperature. This means that one rate-controlling part of the process
> is endothermic. I have previously proposed that this part involves
> diffusion of H or D into the NAE. This suggestion is based on simple
> logic. The rate of the nuclear reaction is determined by how rapidly
> the reactants can assemble, which would be controlled by diffusion. Of
> course, once the reactants are assembled, the nucear reaction would be
> very fast and not be subject to control.
>
> To effectively solve the control problem, Rossi has maximized thermal
> contact between the NAE in the Ni and a source of temperature, which
> is the heaters. He has to apply power because the NAE in the NI has to
> cool rapidly once the LENR process tries to grow in intensity by
> getting hotter as a result of its own heat production. In other words,
> the effect involves two rate controlling processes, one is exothermic
> and the other is endothermic. Control requires a balance be created
> between the two. This balance uses diffusion as the control mechanism.
>
> He heats the material to a temperature that allows the heat producing
> rate in the NAE to start to self-heat. He then turns off the external
> heat source and the resulting temperature, which allows the diffusion
> rate to drop enough to starve the fusion process of reactant and cool.
> This process is repeated. A waveform of applied power is chosen to
> make this process as efficient as possible.
>
> Regardless of which theory a person wishes to apply, this description
> must be acknowledged because it is based on engineering principles,
> not on a theory of LENR.
>
> Ed Storms
>
