LENR can occur in exploding metal foils and electric arks. LENR is a singular process that depends on one basic mechanism. In a reactor meltdown, the mechanism of the LENR reaction transitions from one form supported by and associated state of matter into another state supported by a different collection of matter in a different state.
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Edmund Storms <stor...@ix.netcom.com>wrote: > Please people, stay in the real world. The description Alex gives has no > relationship to what has been described in the paper or to what is > possible. We have no way of knowing the melting point of that material > claim to melt. We have no way of knowing how much melted. At the vary > least, once the stainless steel container in which the Ni was located > formed a hole, the H2 would escape and the nuclear reaction would stop. In > addition, we do not know the melting point of the Ni in the container > because it was reacted with a secret catalyst. In other words, we know > nothing that would support such speculations. > > Ed Storms > > > > On May 24, 2013, at 12:17 PM, David Roberson wrote: > > Axil, > > You pose some interesting questions. If what you suggest is true, then > this form of LENR would be a bulk effect. > > Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> > To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> > Sent: Fri, May 24, 2013 2:12 pm > Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:My evaluation of the Rossi test > > The other very important piece of the puzzle that this Rossi demo has > revealed is how extreme the LENR can get. This tells us important new > things about the LENR reaction. > When the E-Cat melts down, its temperature reaches at least 2000C. The > melting point of the ceramic used is in that temperature range. > We know that ceramic is used in the reactor and that the LENR reaction can > melt it. This is exciting. > At that temperature, the nickel powder and the AISI 310 steel has long > reached its melting point. > The LENR reaction must be able to function in a liquid metal environment. > The concept of an NAE supported in only solid material must be discarded. > LENR must function in liquid and vapor. > Riddle me that one batman. > Collective, in other words, I will be awaiting your theories. > > > > > On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Edmund Storms <stor...@ix.netcom.com>wrote: > >> Thanks Fran. It's nice to get an occasional agreement :-) However, how do >> you propose to make helium and tritium from D and H by a process other than >> fusion? Of course, the process is not like hot fusion, but this does not >> remove another process that results in fusion as the mechanism. The W/L >> mechanism is the only current published theory that does not propose >> fusion, but this idea is so far from explaining any observation, it can be >> ignored. >> >> Ed Storms >> >> On May 24, 2013, at 10:52 AM, Roarty, Francis X wrote: >> >> Ed, >>> Good analysis and totally agree with your conclusions except for >>> your description as a "fusion" process since that remains controversial >>> would just call it an as yet "undetermined" process. [snip] , which allows >>> the diffusion rate to drop enough to starve the fusion process of reactant >>> and cool[/snip]. >>> Fran >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com] >>> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 1:55 PM >>> To: c...@googlegroups.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com >>> Cc: Edmund Storms >>> Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:My evaluation of the Rossi test >>> >>> A great deal of discussion has been generated by the Rossi test. I >>> would liker to add my contribution. >>> >>> Rossi has demonstrated two very important behaviors of the effect. >>> >>> First, the effect can be initiated and sustained for a significant >>> time at temperatures above 800° C. This means the NAE once formed is >>> very stable. This degree of stability severely limits the theories >>> that can be applied and eliminates most of the ones presently being >>> explored. >>> >>> Second, he has shown that the effect can be effectively controlled by >>> temperature. This means that one rate-controlling part of the process >>> is endothermic. I have previously proposed that this part involves >>> diffusion of H or D into the NAE. This suggestion is based on simple >>> logic. The rate of the nuclear reaction is determined by how rapidly >>> the reactants can assemble, which would be controlled by diffusion. Of >>> course, once the reactants are assembled, the nucear reaction would be >>> very fast and not be subject to control. >>> >>> To effectively solve the control problem, Rossi has maximized thermal >>> contact between the NAE in the Ni and a source of temperature, which >>> is the heaters. He has to apply power because the NAE in the NI has to >>> cool rapidly once the LENR process tries to grow in intensity by >>> getting hotter as a result of its own heat production. In other words, >>> the effect involves two rate controlling processes, one is exothermic >>> and the other is endothermic. Control requires a balance be created >>> between the two. This balance uses diffusion as the control mechanism. >>> >>> He heats the material to a temperature that allows the heat producing >>> rate in the NAE to start to self-heat. He then turns off the external >>> heat source and the resulting temperature, which allows the diffusion >>> rate to drop enough to starve the fusion process of reactant and cool. >>> This process is repeated. A waveform of applied power is chosen to >>> make this process as efficient as possible. >>> >>> Regardless of which theory a person wishes to apply, this description >>> must be acknowledged because it is based on engineering principles, >>> not on a theory of LENR. >>> >>> Ed Storms >>> >>> >> > >
