Tell us, if you'd be so kind, since you have the ear of the horse's mouth, whether the researchers were allowed, and/or would be allowed in the future, to break apart and examine the cable between the control box and the device?
Why would they be? That would reveal trade secrets and IP not yet patented. Of course this cannot be allowed. Rossi would be crazy to allow this. I am not asking about a powered cable during an experimental run. I am asking about the cable itself, with nothing passing through it. Surely that is not secret? And you still have not given a direct answer as to whether the researchers are allowed to use their own cable. Final note: I'm sure you read the quote from Rossi which stated just that - that the researchers were bringing their own cables. I'd love to check that with them. Especially Hartman. Essen seems to be back-pedalling on the DC issue. I assume it's because he's received a good hard poke from someone in the team. I wonder who. In any case, he gives no justification for his later statement that DC isn't a problem. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Jed Rothwell To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question Andrew <[email protected]> wrote: Look, all I know is what I read. I called out Motl for BS about the emissivity, and you immediately agreed with me. That's a purely logical analysis. As for everything else - I can only process to arrive at a separate conclusion when what I read is conflicting. Then you have not read the document carefully. The constraints were spelled out clearly. There are no conflicting reports. "They were not allowed to measure the power from the control box to the reactor" The story as I receive it continues to change. You should read the paper and stop "receiving" the "story" from random people on the Internet. The paper makes it 100% clear what they were and were not allowed to do. It is simple. In all versions they weren't allowed to look inside the control box or to view and/or analyze the powder. There's one version where they weren't allowed to measure anything on the output side of the control box, except for a constant power dummy run; but never when pulsed mode was switched on. At no point did they measure output from the controller. There are no "versions" here. There is one paper. Read it! Doing a power measurement there is the least analytical thing you can do. It is the one and only task they were assigned. Obviously finer detail is available, so by inference they couldn't do that either. No, not "inference." By your opinion. Not theirs, and not mine. So it seems that any future test will not allow any instrumentation of any kind on the lines between the control box and the device. As far as I know, that is the case. And we're back where we started. If you are not satisfied with this method, that is your opinion. They and I do not share that opinion. Tell us, if you'd be so kind, since you have the ear of the horse's mouth, whether the researchers were allowed, and/or would be allowed in the future, to break apart and examine the cable between the control box and the device? Why would they be? That would reveal trade secrets and IP not yet patented. Of course this cannot be allowed. Rossi would be crazy to allow this. Or to supply their own cable? Which cable? The power cable? Obviously they had access to the bare wires, or they could not have measured voltage. If you do not trust ammeters and voltmeters, I do not see why a different cable would satisfy you. - Jed
