There are two ways to form a NAE: fixed of dynamic. If a fixed NAE cannot exist at 2000C, then the NAE must be dynamic
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Edmund Storms <stor...@ix.netcom.com>wrote: > > On May 29, 2013, at 2:47 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > > Fixed NAE theory cannot explain the Cause of the meltdown of the Rossi > reactor. Ed seems to ignore this clue. > > > I ignore the clue because I do not think it is a clue. > > > Only dynamic NAE creation can explain this meltdown process. > > > Again, you say this with certainty. Please show why you are so sure. > > Ed Storms > > > > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:42 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Why else would Rossi say that the output of his control box was a trade >> secret? >> >> A DC feed of a internal heater is not a trade secret. >> >> >> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Arnaud Kodeck >> <arnaud.kod...@lakoco.be>wrote: >> >>> Axil,**** >>> >>> I doubt that the actual design of the eCat is able to bring CB range >>> signal from electrical heating system. Or where else ?**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] >>> *Sent:* mercredi 29 mai 2013 22:08 >>> *To:* vortex-l >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat >>> **** >>> >>> >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> EMF simulation in the CB range will form nanoparticles (aka clusters). >>> Potassium is the best candidate for the formation of dynamic NAE through >>> nanoparticle formation when stimulated by EMF. **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Arnaud Kodeck <arnaud.kod...@lakoco.be> >>> wrote:**** >>> >>> Ed,**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> I think you forget to add the EM stimulation controlled by the black box >>> between wall socket and the eCat.**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Arnaud**** >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From:* Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com] >>> *Sent:* mercredi 29 mai 2013 21:53**** >>> >>> >>> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com >>> *Cc:* Edmund Storms**** >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Fran, I would not guess how Rossi bonds the powder to the wall, only >>> that this must be done. A secret sauce is applied before the Ni is placed >>> in the e-Cat in order to create the NAE. You need to identify how many >>> additional secret sauces you think are involved. He also places a hydride >>> in the tube to supply hydrogen. This material also might have an effect. I >>> suggest speculation about things we have no way of knowing is not >>> productive. Let's discuss what is real and required by nature for the >>> observed effect to be produced. **** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> We know Rossi activates the Ni before it is used, i.e. creates the NAE.* >>> *** >>> >>> We know this powder must make good thermal contact with the wall.**** >>> >>> We know that Ni powder sinters at the temperature being produced.**** >>> >>> We know that the NAE is stable at these temperatures. **** >>> >>> We know that the generated power increases with increased temperature. >>> Therefore, a positive feedback is operating.**** >>> >>> We know that Rossi attempts to control this feedback by controlling the >>> temperature.**** >>> >>> We know that the power source responds rapidly to the external >>> temperature. Therefore, good thermal contact exists between the source and >>> the thermal sink. **** >>> >>> We can suspect that no additional source of energy or stimulation is >>> applied to the power source other than temperature.**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> These are the only facts I can identify. Did I miss anything?**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Ed Storms**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> On May 29, 2013, at 1:28 PM, Roarty, Francis X wrote:**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Ed,**** >>> >>> you make a good case that something improves the thermal bond of the >>> powder to the inner walls.. perhaps the function of the secret sauce.. I >>> don’t recall the volume of the powder used but am under the impression it >>> fills most of the reactor tube and therefore must also have good thermal >>> bond through it’s own bulk to reach the reactor walls. I think the MAHG was >>> a weak easily compromised cousin to this device with only a thin sputtered >>> layer on the inner wall of the tube while Rossi has designed a way to stack >>> NAE out into a bulk form away from the reactor wall. I gathered from the >>> thread that very little powder spilled out when they cut it open after >>> destruction… so would assume the bonding held the powder inside as a foam >>> or gelatinous solid? Can we assume the secret sauce must bind the powder >>> into some form of solid. I am leaning toward an open foam like malted milk >>> balls but a recent thread also suggested a gelatinous colloid.**** >>> >>> Fran**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> *From:* Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com<stor...@ix.netcom.com> >>> ] >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 29, 2013 11:43 AM >>> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com >>> *Cc:* Edmund Storms >>> *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Bob, this is a good analysis of a possible design. You are right, the >>> powder must make good thermal contact with the wall for the nuclear >>> reaction to be controlled by temperature. Just how Rossi makes this happen >>> is unknown. Nevertheless, most of the active nickel must be attached to >>> the inner wall of the stainless tube. In addition, at the temperatures >>> used, the Ni powder would sinter and not be easily to remove. **** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> As for modifying the stainless using chemical etch, I doubt this would >>> be effective. This texture would have to be active initially and remain >>> unchanged at high temperature. Such textures are not stable and would not >>> survive the high temperature. Rossi has done something to the Ni powder >>> that is very stable and not affected by high temperature. This fact alone >>> greatly reduces the possibilities to anyone familiar with the materials >>> science of this material. Rossi is gradually letting the cat out of the >>> bag, whether he wants to or not.**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Ed Storms**** >>> >>> On May 29, 2013, at 8:29 AM, Bob Higgins wrote:**** >>> >>> >>> >>> **** >>> >>> I would like to submit my speculation about the latest Rossi hotCat for >>> discussion on Vortex-l.**** >>> >>> · We are told that the central reactor core is a 310 stainless >>> steel cylinder ( 3cm by 33cm). There is no port for introduction of H2. >>> The ends are cold welded closed.**** >>> >>> · When the test device was sawed open, only a miniscule amount >>> of powder came out. This cannot be the active powder - it would have >>> melted as loose powder rather than conveying the heat out of the cylinder. >>> **** >>> >>> · It is highly desirable to have high thermal conductivity >>> between the NAEs and the outer metal cylinder. You wouldn't get this with >>> loose powder on the inside.**** >>> >>> · 310 stainless is ~25% chromium, ~21% Ni, and the balance >>> mostly iron**** >>> >>> Consider what Celani has done - taken a Ni-Cu alloy wire and etched out >>> the Cu to realize the surface nanotexturing, thus creating NAEs on the wire >>> outer surface. Suppose we took the 310 stainless cylinder and used a >>> chromium etch on the inner surface. Chrome etches typically contain nitric >>> acid which will also attack the iron, but not the nickel. The result could >>> be a nanotextured Ni inner surface of the 310 SS cylinder with perhaps a >>> micro-scale Ni "fur" in *high thermal contact with the cylinder*. >>> There may be further chemical texturing of the inner surface or nanopowder >>> added as part of a thermo-chemical modification of the surface to create >>> the NAEs in high number on the inner textured Ni surface.**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Then, cold weld one end of the cylinder closed. Calculate the amount of >>> metal hydride needed to release the desired pressure of H2 into the >>> cylinder when it is heated and put this powder inside the cylinder. Cold >>> weld seal the second end closed. Viola! You have a hotCat reactor core. >>> **** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Rossi has also described his "cat and mouse" where the "mouse" was added >>> to enhance the performance of the hotCat. An easy speculation for this >>> would be that he could take some of his previous Rossi micro-Ni + catalyst >>> powder and add that as well to the hotCat as a means to help the reaction >>> begin from a lower temperature.**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> I believe the cylindrical outer heaters are just resistor coils embedded >>> in a high thermal conductivity ceramic.**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Comments? **** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >> >> > >
