This concept is going to take a while to develop.  The first question that 
comes to mind is whether or not repulsive forces that vary as 1/R^2 work in a 
similar fashion to attractive ones.  This will take some simulation.  In the 
case of planets, all of the interacting bodies attract each other.  Wiki has an 
interesting article concerning "gravity assist" that is worth reading.   It 
reveals how the process works with space ships.

The other issue that has long escaped my understanding is the photoelectric 
effect that Einstein explained to get his Nobel prize.  He used this phenomena 
to more or less prove that photons of light behave as particles.  Each particle 
resulted in the emission of one electron instead of sharing the energy among a 
multitude of them residing on the surface of the metal.

The wavelength of the incoming light is far larger than the size of a single 
electron yet only one receives the photon energy and is ejected.  I still do 
not understand why this is so.

Is it possible that other many body reactions exist that can give a large 
quantity of the shared energy to one member?  If this is true, then one might 
expect the inverse reaction to also occur which would be able to explain why 
the fusion energy is released into the larger body of particles instead of 
having to be emitted as one energetic gamma.  Perhaps it is time to look into 
the emission of gamma rays from nickel nuclei to see if there is anything 
suspicious occurring.

This exercise will likely lead to a dead end, but it could offer some helpful 
insight.

Dave



 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: John Franks <[email protected]>
To: vortex-l <[email protected]>
Sent: Sat, Dec 21, 2013 8:31 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Collective Phenomena


So if that little guy is a proton against the 10^8 -10^9 collective of other 
protons with thermal energy 25meV or so, that gets you in the ball park...


What are the conditions to make this so - H2 loading, cracks, a lattice over 
say a liquid (no-one uses Hg). Any other pointers?


Still having trouble with what happens after the reaction because of the femto 
level it is free space compared to the lattice on the 0.1nm level and the 
thermal wavelength of the heavy nuclei can't be making them overlap to behave 
collectively.




On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 1:13 AM, David Roberson <[email protected]> wrote:

... 
When one of the bodies is much smaller than the other two, the little guy can 
be sent packing in a hurry.

Dave

 

 

 


-----Original Message-----
From: John Franks <[email protected]>
To: vortex-l <[email protected]>

Sent: Sat, Dec 21, 2013 11:43 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Collective Phenomena




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_drift




On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Eric Walker <[email protected]> wrote:


Hi :)



On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 8:05 AM, John Franks <[email protected]> wrote:




I was thinking about your desire to have quasi-particles, which are low energy 
collective phenomena operating over several 10s of nm, somehow do the 
impossible and behave like a real particle with reduced charge etc.




Personally, I think the quasi-particle lead is a red herring when it comes to 
explaining LENR.  I understand that quasi-particles are only very weakly bound 
-- the binding energy being much less than an eV.  I also am not impressed by 
coherent-motion theories.  (As a physics dilettante, I have no basis for not 
being impressed.  I'm just not.)

 

I was looking at the wandering planets thread and probably the reason for the 
observed ejection is a phenomena called "digital energy drift" (wiki it).




This sounds a little like a rogue wave phenomenon [1]; Jones mentioned 
something similar sometime back [2].  I'm personally guessing the planets in 
the simulation are being ejected because of a gradual floating point error (I 
think James Bowery alluded to this) or just insufficiently sophisticated 
handling of the startup of the system.


Eric


[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_wave
[2] http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg22649.html













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