It is difficult to imagine how each of the individual components add together to yield a total picture. And, magnetic coupling seems to be one of the worst types of systems to follow.
I understand the concept that many electrons are moving together along one direction to form the large field in this idea. But, the total field consists of a sum of that due to the electrons motions working against the drive field. Lenz's law usually suggests that the electrons attempt to lower the initial field which also tends to reduce the magnetic field energy. If this holds, then the total field would be less than the incident field without the electrons. This is the issue that keeps diverting my thoughts. So far I fail to understand how the energy is released in such a manner as to increase the driving field. It must be some force of nature that causes this to occur and I suspect that the process will become clearer with more supporting measurements. >From earlier discussions with Axil, he states IIRC that once a photon and an >electron join that the total acts like a DC magnetic field. That is quite >impressive for an AC system to become a DC one. Of course if this is true, >then many of these acting together might generate the large overall field that >we seek. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Bob Cook <[email protected]> To: vortex-l <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, Mar 2, 2014 3:32 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" Dave-- I may be that the electrons are moving in a group (a solariton) in the local magnetic field and the group magnetic moment is in fact lined up properly so that only one direction is possible. In addition the solariton having considerable angular momentum for a single entity, some of the energy may be distributed to the spin of other particles in the QM system. As noted yesterday, Dr. JS Brown's paper is pertinent. arXiv.org > cond-mat > arXiv:0711.1878 Bob Cook ----- Original Message ----- From: David Roberson To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2014 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" The source of the magnetic field is the big question. No doubt that electrons in motion throughout the active material could generate the field, but I ask myself why these electrons happen to be typically moving in the same direction since if they are randomly released by the reaction, their effect would balance out on the large scale. We now suspect that a positive feedback mechanism is able to direct the LENR such that new fusions reinforce the original magnetic field. If an electron is released within a strong magnetic field, it can freely follow the lines of flux. But that motion would generate a tiny field at right angles to the large guiding one. This behavior just does not appear to result in positive feedback. Like you, I have difficulty believing that all the energy is released in the form of heat. There is an out to this problem if the energy is released into a collective system of charged particles in the nearby lattice. And, if the guiding magnetic field acts as a coupling mechanism between the nearby electrons for example and the fusion site, then perhaps a large retarding force can be presented to the active site allowing energy to couple away. The instantaneous magnetic field that a newly accelerated charged particle encounters is actually determined by the history of the nearby moving charges and not their motion at the present time. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Axil Axil <[email protected]> To: vortex-l <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, Mar 2, 2014 2:04 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" I believe that heat is not the only product of the LENR reaction. It may not even the most important sink for LENR power generation. I believe that electron production is a major magnification of over unity power generation. Rossi indicated that there was an unknown source of current production in his reactor and he was looking into how this could happen. I know that the PAPP engine produced current out of whole cloth. The design of the engine depended on it. Here is my take on where these electrons are coming from. When the magnetic field strength gets strong enough, mesons are condensed out of the vacuum. The final decay products of mesons are electrons. On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 1:34 PM, David Roberson <[email protected]> wrote: I also find it amazing that DGT seems to overlook the implications of their discovery. It reminds me of not seeing the forest through the trees. Since Rossi made an earlier claim that he might be able to generate electricity directly by some obscure discovery, I suspect that he realized the importance of the large magnetic fields residing within his device. So far he has kept this type of information private, carefully leaking out the news of some non specific discovery. Rossi knows when to release findings that might assist competitors. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Axil Axil <[email protected]> To: vortex-l <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:23 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" Like you, any one of us can only do so much of what is required. To come up with an all inclusive theory, we must trust the word and the work done by others. I must admit that I trust DGT. So far, their experimental observation about magnetic field strength has no impact on the theory (HEMI) that they put forward. They have no theroritical based interest in misleading us to advance their theory base on Dr. Kims work. Like us, DGT is simply amazed at the magnetic nature of their experimental find but have not connected it to HEMI in any way. This is hard to understand. On the part of DGT, there is no self interest in tossing an almost unbelievable finding into their finding and in fact this finding undercuts HEMI. In fact such a finding is a major distraction. They really need to do a major rethink of their experimental position on HEMI and BEC as per Dr. Kim. On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Edmund Storms <[email protected]> wrote: On Mar 2, 2014, at 10:47 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > These Nanoplasmonic experiments with uranium can be done inexpensively, > why can’t Ed replicate these experiments? Because I have only two hands and no financial support. If you want this replicated, I suggest you hire someone to do this. Ed Storms
