Dave-
The note from Frank: "The net effect is a growing field and energy release that
work together." The growing field involves a larger volume and coupling for
release of small packets of energy. Is this not a coherent system? The
coherency occurs as a characteristic of a bigger and bigger system (more
particles) as required to convert the mass change at the NAE to thermal energy.
I have indicated that spin coupling among electrons and nuclei may be involved
in the distribution of small packets of energy without damage to the NAE
structure.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier
Bob,
I do not understand your question. I still believe that a large magnetic
field is interacting with the individual small NAE in a manner that results in
positive feedback among them. The actual manner in which this interaction
occurs is evading me. As Frank indicated, a steady magnetic field should not
be able to directly reduce the Coulomb barrier and hence I am exploring the
concept of a time changing one. He appears to have a concept that allows for
the generation of an extremely large magnetic field and if that field changes
with time, then the generated electric component might be the one I seek.
Do you have a concept that effectively results in the reduction of the
Coulomb barrier that we normally discuss? It seems that energy can be borrowed
from the time changing magnetic field of sufficient magnitude to reduce the net
barrier leading to LENR activity. Once the reaction begins, that borrowed
energy is replaced with interest. And, I suspect that most of the released
energy from the reaction enhances the original field. The net effect is a
growing field and energy release that work together.
One interesting feature of this mechanism would be the existence of a
threshold effect. Until sufficient coupling among the NEA is established very
little energy would be released. That could explain why it is so very
difficult to replicate systems. It may not be too difficult to get individual
sites to react, but unless enough become involved, the total energy is too
small to accurately measure.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Cook <frobertc...@hotmail.com>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Tue, Mar 25, 2014 1:58 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier
Dave--
Is your concept of coherence changing? Frank is providing a cause for
expanded scope (size) of coherence in my mind.
Thanks Frank.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier
I understand that a steady magnetic field can not add energy to a charged
particle. It can redirect the velocity vector of that particle but can not
directly add energy to it somewhat like the behavior of an electron beam that
is bent by a magnetic field so that it moves against a fixed electric field.
The initial energy of the electron allows it to move uphill against the
electric force.
But, if the magnetic field located at the particle is changing in magnitude
or direction it generates an electric field that can impart energy. The
enormous fields that you mention must begin as small fields that change in time
to become large ones and perhaps that is when the additional energy is
imparted. I like the thought of a long range effect since that offers an
opportunity for coupling among a multitude of individual particles. This
coupling could allow for the positive feedback mechanism that reinforces both
the field and the LENR activity. Both can then grow until some limiting factor
arises.
IIRC DGT does suggest that the external magnetic field changes with time as
their reaction varies. The question that arises is whether or not that rate of
change would be able to generate a sufficient electric component. I find it
interesting that nickel has a strong magnetic interaction that may well
contribute to the rapid field changes. And, of course, the threshold in LENR
occurring around the curie temperature of nickel must has some significance.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: fznidarsic <fznidar...@aol.com>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Tue, Mar 25, 2014 12:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier
Thats a common mistake. We cannot reduce the Coulomb barrier. The static
force fields are conserved and cannot be reduced in a two body problem. The
static force field can, however, be bypassed by a force with longer range.
The magnetic component of the strong nuclear force is called the spin orbit
force. It is never considered by the hot fusion people. In the solid cold
fusion environment the magnetic component can be increased by a factor to 10 to
the 39 power. Again I am not speaking of the electromagnetic field, I am
speaking of the magnetic component of the strong nuclear force. In short "The
constants of the motion tend toward the electromagnetic in a Bose condensate
that is vibrated at a dimensional frequency of 1.094 megahertz-meters."
Frank Z
The Coulomb repulsion can be reduced by magnetic attraction according to
my thoughts and that would also explain magnetic interactions and low
temperature operation of LENR devices. Should we drop the reference to Coulomb
barrier and replace it with reference to an Electromagnetic Barrier?
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Tue, Mar 25, 2014 11:39 am
Subject: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier
We hear so much chatter about the Coulomb barrier and how difficult it is
to overcome for fusion events to occur. Perhaps we should consider it as an
electromagnetic barrier instead. There is plenty of reason to suspect that a
magnetic component of force is active along with the electric component.
Some in this list believe that spin coupling has a large impact upon the
rate of LENR activity and there may well be other magnetic interactions
associated with nano particles and their large local magnetic fields. I tend
to think that these couplings are a key concept that needs to be understood in
detail if an ultimate theory is to be developed.
The Coulomb repulsion can be reduced by magnetic attraction according to my
thoughts and that would also explain magnetic interactions and low temperature
operation of LENR devices. Should we drop the reference to Coulomb barrier and
replace it with reference to an Electromagnetic Barrier?
Dave
