as far as I understand for naive people, the thermodynamic law assume all particles are acting randomly like in a liquid, or a hot latice...
however if there is an insulated environment where particles can act in a coherent way, then they each coherent/intricated group considered as one particle in the statistical meaning... imagine 1000 people dancing squaredance precisely inside a hardrock concert at top POGO "energy" ? the square won't last long. Now imagine them packed inside a quiet hall with few doors only. the idea of a 1D quantum object is interesting, as each hydroton is like a "big atom" (quantum object made of smaller coupled parts) with many particles orbiting (not in circle, but having coupled trajectory)... probably there is alternative possibilities having similar properties : localized quantum object made of many nucleus and electrons... 1D,2D,0D,1.xD, 2.xD ? WL is not far but I imagine that what makes Ed reject the idea is that the coherent patch of proton and electrons are at the surface, with huge interference of the chemical random system which de-intricate any quantum object... the NAE for Ed must be something like a Schrodinger cat (like the recently Schrodinger kitten observed in very isolated cavities)... insulated from random bombardment, just excited at limited energy level. 2014-07-21 9:41 GMT+02:00 Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com>: > *But thermodynamics says energy cannot spontaneously accumulate in one > location. Yes, unusual quantum mechanical effects happen. Odd things can > occur once in a while. But, given the number of required reactions to make > the observed heat, it would be a violation of the laws of thermodynamics to > have so many out-of-the-norm events.* > > Yes, the heart of the LENR reaction involves energy concentration in > violation of thermodynamics: but that is OK because the process is a > quantum mechanical one. Surface plasmin polaritons can accumulate in and > around the crack to a huge level because they are bosons. Cracks produce > SPP solitons. SPP energy storehouse supplies the energy to produce the > group fusion of a cluster of hydrogen atoms. > > To start the study of nanoplasmonics read this intro > > Stockman_Phys_Today_2011_Physics_behind_Applications > > http://www.phy-astr.gsu.edu/stockman/data/Stockman_Phys_Today_2011_Physics_behind_Applications.pdf > > > On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 3:15 AM, Ruby <r...@hush.com> wrote: > >> On 7/20/14, 8:22 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote: >> >> On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 7:56 PM, Foks0904 . <foks0...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> *Earlier he had chastised theorists for throwing out the laws of >>> thermodynamics, and here he does essentially the same thing.* >>> >>> If the reaction takes place in the lattice, we're definitely >>> violating the laws of thermodynamics. >>> >> ***HOW? HOW?? HOW??? Demonstrate it!!! Why is this such a big >> friggin deal to you and Ed Storms and why hasn't he LOUDLY proclaimed it, >> especially when he he was here on Vortex? If it's such a BIG friggin deal, >> why didn't he make a BIG FRIGGIN DEAL about it here on Vortex? >> >> Hi Kevin, I haven't listened to the interview yet, but I've spent some >> time talking with Storms about this. He applies a physics 101 application >> of thermodynamics to system of particles in a closed environment. For >> LENR, the lattice plays the closed environment. >> >> Question: How do nuclear particles converge together in a lattice vacancy >> and fuse? >> (How does deuterium turn into helium?) >> >> Question: How does an electron gain enough energy to combine with proton? >> (782 keV to make neutron) >> >> Where does the energy come from to do this? How does this energy >> coalesce in one location at once, without affecting the chemical bonds that >> make up the lattice? How does it accumulate over time (it it does)? >> >> Gaining energy in a localized region means it must have been lost >> somewhere else from the surrounding area. >> >> But thermodynamics says energy cannot spontaneously accumulate in one >> location. Yes, unusual quantum mechanical effects happen. Odd things can >> occur once in a while. But, given the number of required reactions to make >> the observed heat, it would be a violation of the laws of thermodynamics to >> have so many out-of-the-norm events. >> >> That's how I understand what he is saying. >> >> In a nano-environment, separate from the chemical lattice itself but >>> still a "part" of it in another sense, we can see new high energy events >>> manifest before altering the NAE before high rates of nuclear reactions can >>> be achieved. >>> >> ***What a bunch of bowlsheet. >> >> The nano-crack is a separate space from the lattice. It is a broken part >> of the lattice. >> As a separate space, it has an environment different from the lattice. >> >> In this environment, nuclei and electrons can be trapped in an unusual >> way (the hydroton) in a nanocrack that can't happen in a vacancy. >> The hydroton can resonate in a way it wouldn't in the lattice. >> These are two examples of how the crack allows behavior that a vacancy >> won't >> >> When Storms' hydroton in the nano-crack resonates, mass turns to energy >> slowly, over time, as opposed to hot fusion which releases mass-energy all >> at once. >> Hydrotonic fusion happens without fragmentation, as opposed to hot fusion >> which does. >> Because hydrotonic fusion happens without fragmentation, momentum is not >> conserved in the same way that the fusion products of hot fusion will >> conserve momentum. >> These three differences show some of the criteria and reasoning behind >> Storms' insistence upon separating the two phenomenon of hot fusion and >> cold fusion. >> >> That's how I understand it at this time. >> >> Ruby >> >> -- >> Ruby Carat >> r...@coldfusionnow.org >> www.coldfusionnow.org >> >> >
