Here's the presentation from the European Algae Biomass 2013 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28447217/Algae%20Platform%2024-25%20april%202013-2.pdf
I defy you to find comparably detailed information about pricing, productivity, biomass concentration, etc. from ANY other algae technology company. On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 9:33 PM, James Bowery <[email protected]> wrote: > And by the way did you even bother looking at the DoE proposal? I did > provide you with the URL to my dropbox. > > > On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 9:30 PM, James Bowery <[email protected]> wrote: > >> You obviously haven't been looking at algae technology. I have for 20 >> years. Algasol has provided far more detailed and specific information >> than any other company in that 2 decades of research. The fact that you >> don't find it via Google is neither here nor there. Google is not due >> diligence. Any investment group that has any competent analysts could do >> what I did. Its not magic. You get on the phone and talk to people. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Jojo Iznart <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> James, I find myself increasingly interested in this technology yet am >>> having difficulty in finding detailed information. The blogs you sent >>> while helpful is a little incomplete for my needs. I am currently googling >>> for Algasol but I find their web site skimpy on details, just lots of >>> generalization and rhetoric on how revolutionary their tech could be. I >>> need more just to even begin due diligence. >>> >>> Do you know of a site with a whitepaper, some pictures, deployment >>> infrastructure, engineering drawings, etc of this technology. If you have >>> some, please shoot them my way. >>> >>> James, could it be that the reason why this technology is not getting >>> funded is as simple as skimpy information available. Could it be that the >>> proponents of the technology are simply doing a lousy job of disseminating >>> relevant information about the technology? If that is not the case, maybe >>> I am just doing a lousy job of looking for it. Please send links or info >>> my way. >>> >>> >>> >>> Jojo >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* James Bowery <[email protected]> >>> *To:* vortex-l <[email protected]> >>> *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2014 2:26 AM >>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors >>> >>> 1) Areal CAPEX is lower than open ponds. Specific OPEX, including >>> energy, is well below that required for competition with crude oil. >>> >>> 2) No. The initial installations compete with open ponds. They are on >>> dry land desert areas. You can get better economy in the ocean but you >>> don't need it. You can beat crude oil and open ponds on dry land. Hail is >>> the main threat on dry land and is dealt with by temporarily submerging the >>> PBRs so the hail hits the flotation medium (brackish water). >>> >>> 3) Photobioreactors are closed hence contamination is excluded. >>> >>> 4) The food arithmetic is worked out in the article I sent previously. >>> >>> 5) No, the primary output would _not_ be for biofuel. Read the article >>> I sent previously. Although it is true that the biomass can be used for >>> fuel and would be competitive, the entire point of the prior link I sent is >>> food -- not fuel. There is no more point in talking about a system for >>> direct production of human food than there is in talking about growing >>> soybeans for direct consumption by humans. It is even more absurd to talk >>> about such direct consumption when you are already reducing areal >>> requirements by a factor of 20 over soybeans. >>> >>> If you really insist on looking at biofuel from this system, here is the >>> DoE proposal: >>> >>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28447217/3_0811-1538_LBNL_Project.pdf >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 12:25 PM, Jojo Iznart <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks James. I have a few questions: >>>> >>>> 1. What is the infrastructure cost of such an Alga6 photobioreactor? >>>> What is the ongoing energy cost? >>>> >>>> 2. It appears that it has to be installed in tropical doldrums? >>>> right? Areas with no storms? cause I presume a storm would run havoc with >>>> the photobioreactors? >>>> >>>> 3. Has the problem with algae contamination been solved. >>>> Contamination of other algae species seems to be a perenial problem with >>>> Algae reactors. >>>> >>>> 4. What's the required ocean area for an algal field sufficient to >>>> support the nutritional needs of say 10,000 people? >>>> >>>> 5. So, the primary output would be algae primarily for oil (for >>>> biofuel) and algae dry matter for livestock? No direct food for humans? >>>> Do you know of a system for direct production of human food? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jojo >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> *From:* James Bowery <[email protected]> >>>> *To:* vortex-l <[email protected]> >>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2014 12:25 AM >>>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors >>>> >>>> >>>> http://jimbowery.blogspot.com/2014/05/greenhouses-are-not-next-green.html >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 9:22 PM, Jojo Iznart <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> James, Please elaborate on this technology. If it is enormously >>>>> profitable as you claim, I might be able to integrate this with my wave >>>>> power to produce food. We need cheap food here in the Philippines to feed >>>>> an exponentially growing population. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Jojo >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> *From:* James Bowery <[email protected]> >>>>> *To:* Analog Fan <[email protected]> >>>>> *Cc:* [email protected] >>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 17, 2014 3:34 AM >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors >>>>> >>>>> As far as I can see there is nothing _but_ dumb money out there. >>>>> Let me define what I mean: >>>>> >>>>> I know of at least one technology that has, since 2009, been waiting >>>>> on nothing more than about $10M dollars to reduce civilization's >>>>> ecological >>>>> footprint by at least a factor of 2 while increasing protein production to >>>>> the point that, even passing through multiple trophic layers in the >>>>> agricultural foodchain to high value meat and fish, would provide a diet >>>>> so >>>>> rich the problem wouldn't be malnutrition but gout. >>>>> >>>>> When I say "waiting on" I mean it is demonstrated and the production >>>>> line to manufacture it is already specified. >>>>> >>>>> Oh, I guess I failed to point out that what I mean by "demonstrated" >>>>> is that its economics are not just profitable, they are _enormously_ >>>>> profitable. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Analog Fan <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, August 14, 2014 6:43 PM, Jojo Iznart < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >Why would you assume that the investors would have done lousy due >>>>>> diligence? >>>>>> >>>>>> I never assume lousy due diligence. But it is fair to wonder how much >>>>>> diligence they did do. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's indisputable that there is 'dumb money' out there - the history >>>>>> of poor due diligence on investments is legendary. I've seen a ~$90 >>>>>> million dollar investment fund up close, and you would be surprised at >>>>>> the >>>>>> lack of due diligence. I was surprised when the SEC stepped in to reveal >>>>>> the fund was a house of cards. >>>>>> >>>>>> >Why is it that we always believe that we understand more than the >>>>>> investors >>>>>> >who would have been up close and personal with the people and >>>>>> scientists at >>>>>> >BLP and have seen the technologies and prototypes more closely? >>>>>> >>>>>> You may as well ask why people do inexplicable things? It's clear >>>>>> that Mills has personal charisma and is able to raise money, and that is >>>>>> impressive. But in my opinion any sort of scientific or business results >>>>>> look to be extremely unlikely at this stage. Mills has raised and spent a >>>>>> lot of money, that's for sure. >>>>>> >>>>>> The details do not add up to me - for example, why on earth does a >>>>>> company involved in speculative research spend millions to buy a fifty >>>>>> thousand square foot building in New Jersey, when their team could fit >>>>>> in a >>>>>> smaller leased lab? >>>>>> >>>>>> 493 EDINBURG RD, East Windsor Township owned by BLACKLIGHT REAL >>>>>> ESTATE C/O R.MILLS - NJParcels.com New Jersey Property Data >>>>>> <http://njparcels.com/property/1101/5/3> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >Let's give BLP some time and credit shall we? >>>>>> >>>>>> Surely you jest? As I pointed out, they've had 22 years, and yet it >>>>>> is they that keep shifting the goalposts. All of this skepticism would >>>>>> cease if they had a working product. >>>>>> >>>>>> AF >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 493 EDINBURG RD, East Windsor Township owned by BLACKLIGHT REAL >>>>>> ESTATE C/O R.MILLS... <http://njparcels.com/property/1101/5/3> >>>>>> Information regarding Block 5, Lot 3 (493 EDINBURG RD), owned by >>>>>> BLACKLIGHT REAL ESTATE C/O R.MILLS in East Windsor Township. >>>>>> View on njparcels.com <http://njparcels.com/property/1101/5/3> >>>>>> Preview by Yahoo >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
