Wave technology scales with length, not area.
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 10:16 PM, Jojo Iznart <[email protected]> wrote: > No need to be snippy my friend, I just want detailed information for an > initial "go" "no go" decision. This is just initial due diligence. This > initial research is simply to determine if this technology will be > compatible with my wave farms. This will compete for ocean area against my > wave farms so it is a concern. But, I will be doing more due diligence. > > No, I did not look at the DOE presentation yet as my focus right now is > food production for humans. I will look at it later. > > > Jojo > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* James Bowery <[email protected]> > *To:* vortex-l <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2014 10:39 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors > > Here's the presentation from the European Algae Biomass 2013 > > > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28447217/Algae%20Platform%2024-25%20april%202013-2.pdf > > I defy you to find comparably detailed information about pricing, > productivity, biomass concentration, etc. from ANY other algae technology > company. > > > > On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 9:33 PM, James Bowery <[email protected]> wrote: > >> And by the way did you even bother looking at the DoE proposal? I did >> provide you with the URL to my dropbox. >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 9:30 PM, James Bowery <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> You obviously haven't been looking at algae technology. I have for 20 >>> years. Algasol has provided far more detailed and specific information >>> than any other company in that 2 decades of research. The fact that you >>> don't find it via Google is neither here nor there. Google is not due >>> diligence. Any investment group that has any competent analysts could do >>> what I did. Its not magic. You get on the phone and talk to people. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Jojo Iznart <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> James, I find myself increasingly interested in this technology yet >>>> am having difficulty in finding detailed information. The blogs you sent >>>> while helpful is a little incomplete for my needs. I am currently googling >>>> for Algasol but I find their web site skimpy on details, just lots of >>>> generalization and rhetoric on how revolutionary their tech could be. I >>>> need more just to even begin due diligence. >>>> >>>> Do you know of a site with a whitepaper, some pictures, deployment >>>> infrastructure, engineering drawings, etc of this technology. If you have >>>> some, please shoot them my way. >>>> >>>> James, could it be that the reason why this technology is not getting >>>> funded is as simple as skimpy information available. Could it be that the >>>> proponents of the technology are simply doing a lousy job of disseminating >>>> relevant information about the technology? If that is not the case, maybe >>>> I am just doing a lousy job of looking for it. Please send links or info >>>> my way. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jojo >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> *From:* James Bowery <[email protected]> >>>> *To:* vortex-l <[email protected]> >>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2014 2:26 AM >>>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors >>>> >>>> 1) Areal CAPEX is lower than open ponds. Specific OPEX, including >>>> energy, is well below that required for competition with crude oil. >>>> >>>> 2) No. The initial installations compete with open ponds. They are on >>>> dry land desert areas. You can get better economy in the ocean but you >>>> don't need it. You can beat crude oil and open ponds on dry land. Hail is >>>> the main threat on dry land and is dealt with by temporarily submerging the >>>> PBRs so the hail hits the flotation medium (brackish water). >>>> >>>> 3) Photobioreactors are closed hence contamination is excluded. >>>> >>>> 4) The food arithmetic is worked out in the article I sent previously. >>>> >>>> 5) No, the primary output would _not_ be for biofuel. Read the article >>>> I sent previously. Although it is true that the biomass can be used for >>>> fuel and would be competitive, the entire point of the prior link I sent is >>>> food -- not fuel. There is no more point in talking about a system for >>>> direct production of human food than there is in talking about growing >>>> soybeans for direct consumption by humans. It is even more absurd to talk >>>> about such direct consumption when you are already reducing areal >>>> requirements by a factor of 20 over soybeans. >>>> >>>> If you really insist on looking at biofuel from this system, here is >>>> the DoE proposal: >>>> >>>> >>>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28447217/3_0811-1538_LBNL_Project.pdf >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 12:25 PM, Jojo Iznart <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks James. I have a few questions: >>>>> >>>>> 1. What is the infrastructure cost of such an Alga6 photobioreactor? >>>>> What is the ongoing energy cost? >>>>> >>>>> 2. It appears that it has to be installed in tropical doldrums? >>>>> right? Areas with no storms? cause I presume a storm would run havoc with >>>>> the photobioreactors? >>>>> >>>>> 3. Has the problem with algae contamination been solved. >>>>> Contamination of other algae species seems to be a perenial problem with >>>>> Algae reactors. >>>>> >>>>> 4. What's the required ocean area for an algal field sufficient to >>>>> support the nutritional needs of say 10,000 people? >>>>> >>>>> 5. So, the primary output would be algae primarily for oil (for >>>>> biofuel) and algae dry matter for livestock? No direct food for humans? >>>>> Do you know of a system for direct production of human food? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Jojo >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> *From:* James Bowery <[email protected]> >>>>> *To:* vortex-l <[email protected]> >>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2014 12:25 AM >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://jimbowery.blogspot.com/2014/05/greenhouses-are-not-next-green.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 9:22 PM, Jojo Iznart <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> James, Please elaborate on this technology. If it is enormously >>>>>> profitable as you claim, I might be able to integrate this with my wave >>>>>> power to produce food. We need cheap food here in the Philippines to >>>>>> feed >>>>>> an exponentially growing population. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Jojo >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> *From:* James Bowery <[email protected]> >>>>>> *To:* Analog Fan <[email protected]> >>>>>> *Cc:* [email protected] >>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 17, 2014 3:34 AM >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors >>>>>> >>>>>> As far as I can see there is nothing _but_ dumb money out there. >>>>>> Let me define what I mean: >>>>>> >>>>>> I know of at least one technology that has, since 2009, been waiting >>>>>> on nothing more than about $10M dollars to reduce civilization's >>>>>> ecological >>>>>> footprint by at least a factor of 2 while increasing protein production >>>>>> to >>>>>> the point that, even passing through multiple trophic layers in the >>>>>> agricultural foodchain to high value meat and fish, would provide a diet >>>>>> so >>>>>> rich the problem wouldn't be malnutrition but gout. >>>>>> >>>>>> When I say "waiting on" I mean it is demonstrated and the production >>>>>> line to manufacture it is already specified. >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh, I guess I failed to point out that what I mean by "demonstrated" >>>>>> is that its economics are not just profitable, they are _enormously_ >>>>>> profitable. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Analog Fan <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thursday, August 14, 2014 6:43 PM, Jojo Iznart < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >Why would you assume that the investors would have done lousy due >>>>>>> diligence? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I never assume lousy due diligence. But it is fair to wonder how >>>>>>> much diligence they did do. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's indisputable that there is 'dumb money' out there - the history >>>>>>> of poor due diligence on investments is legendary. I've seen a ~$90 >>>>>>> million dollar investment fund up close, and you would be surprised at >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> lack of due diligence. I was surprised when the SEC stepped in to reveal >>>>>>> the fund was a house of cards. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >Why is it that we always believe that we understand more than the >>>>>>> investors >>>>>>> >who would have been up close and personal with the people and >>>>>>> scientists at >>>>>>> >BLP and have seen the technologies and prototypes more closely? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You may as well ask why people do inexplicable things? It's clear >>>>>>> that Mills has personal charisma and is able to raise money, and that is >>>>>>> impressive. But in my opinion any sort of scientific or business results >>>>>>> look to be extremely unlikely at this stage. Mills has raised and spent >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> lot of money, that's for sure. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The details do not add up to me - for example, why on earth does a >>>>>>> company involved in speculative research spend millions to buy a fifty >>>>>>> thousand square foot building in New Jersey, when their team could fit >>>>>>> in a >>>>>>> smaller leased lab? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 493 EDINBURG RD, East Windsor Township owned by BLACKLIGHT REAL >>>>>>> ESTATE C/O R.MILLS - NJParcels.com New Jersey Property Data >>>>>>> <http://njparcels.com/property/1101/5/3> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >Let's give BLP some time and credit shall we? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Surely you jest? As I pointed out, they've had 22 years, and yet it >>>>>>> is they that keep shifting the goalposts. All of this skepticism would >>>>>>> cease if they had a working product. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> AF >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 493 EDINBURG RD, East Windsor Township owned by BLACKLIGHT REAL >>>>>>> ESTATE C/O R.MILLS... <http://njparcels.com/property/1101/5/3> >>>>>>> Information regarding Block 5, Lot 3 (493 EDINBURG RD), owned by >>>>>>> BLACKLIGHT REAL ESTATE C/O R.MILLS in East Windsor Township. >>>>>>> View on njparcels.com <http://njparcels.com/property/1101/5/3> >>>>>>> Preview by Yahoo >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
