DGT either has no more money or loads of money. I believe DGT is now well funded. Yes as exceptional scientists and system engineers they have developed a tool for transmutation analysis. And when DGT soon emerges from the dark, they will take away Rossi's candy both theoretically and commensally...so sad.
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Foks0904 . <[email protected]> wrote: > Wasn't DGT going to do something like this before they imploded? > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Axil Axil <[email protected]> wrote: > >> What I wanted to see in a TIP Ni/H transmutation experiment is a well >> calibration real time second by second NMR element assay as the >> transmutation proceeds. NMR resonance analysis is well-known in chemistry >> research. This is possible to do when the associated analysis software is >> written, calibrated, and debugged. Of course, such a research tool is >> expensive. As a system engineering exercise. I would look to see if such a >> tool has already been developed. >> >> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Foks0904 . <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Axil -- I don't think it's fair to keep pointing at Storms as the only >>> one who discounts transmutation as the mechanism -- he's only >>> the most vocal. There are many non-vocal, well-qualified people in the >>> community who don't believe it either. It's the main reason so many people >>> reject Widom-Larsen theory. So what if transmutation shows up in cold >>> fusion systems? Interesting for sure, but it doesn't mean anything unless >>> you can match/calculate intermediate/final products with excess heat, have >>> completely controlled for contamination of multiple runs, and account for >>> He-4 ash in PdD. You're just rehashing old Miley data that is interesting >>> but does not prove anything (even though it could be significant once we >>> find out more). Same goes for the most recent Nickel/Lithium sample taken >>> from the E-Cat. Interesting, but doesn't tell us as much as we think it >>> does without A) more replications, and/or B) a much bigger sample analysis >>> with more discerning mass spec. >>> >>> *This transmutation theory developed by Miley and Hora leads me to the >>> conclusion that in TIP3, there has been many transmutation results that >>> were not found even if they were in fact occurring. In order to do good >>> transmutation accounting, the testers must do detailed and perfect >>> bookkeeping of what elements went into the reaction and account for ALL >>> elements and isotopes that come out of the LENR reaction.* >>> >>> I agree, it's "possible", so let's keep encouraging better analysis and >>> see where the chips fall. >>> >>> John >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Axil Axil <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Regarding transmutation, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Even if Ed Storms discounts transmutation as an LENR energy production >>>> mechanism, transmutation is the source of energy in LENR that has >>>> showed up in experimental data since 2010 involving some generalized >>>> isotopic and elemental changes encompassing some 40 or 50 elements in the >>>> light and medium Z range since the Ni/H reactor data has been made >>>> available. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This way of looking at past experimental transmutation data, there is >>>> nothing special about helium, lithium or nickel as the singular source of >>>> LENR energy. These elements are just one of a zoo of many possible >>>> transmutation reactions based on the particular geometry of the reaction >>>> process. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dr. G. Miley and his associate Dr Hora have come up with a theoretical >>>> framework for transmutation that is based on the three quark nature of the >>>> proton and neutron. This theory predicts that the transmuted elements that >>>> we see in LENR will tend to follow the magic and double magic proton and >>>> neutron count. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From Miley, we would expect to see magic number elements form as a >>>> result of nuclear rearrangement when the coulomb barrier is disrupted >>>> because they are the most stable nuclei configurations among the elements. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Z = 2(He), 8(O), 20(Ca), 28(Ni), 50(Sn), 82(Pb), >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> See >>>> >>>> *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_number_(physics) >>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_number_(physics)>* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In explanation, the nucleus seems to have seven magic numbers. An atom >>>> with a magic number of protons or neutrons is super stable. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> When both the protons and neutrons are magic, that's a double magic >>>> atom. There are only seven of them. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The seven magic numbers are 2, 8, 20, 28, 50, 82, and 126. (and maybe >>>> 184) They are the number of nucleons - which can be either protons or >>>> neutrons - you need to fill up the shells found in the atomic nucleus. The >>>> completely filled shells cause the atomic nucleus to be more tightly bound >>>> together than simple calculations would predict, meaning the magic atoms >>>> are unusually stable. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> So, if both the neutrons and protons happen to be magic numbers, the >>>> atom is not only extra stable, but its nucleus is also rigidly symmetrical, >>>> which is very unusual and helps observers confirm the doubly magic >>>> properties of the atom. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> These isotopes - which include helium-4 (2 protons and 2 neutrons, and >>>> one of the most abundant isotopes in the universe), lead-208 (82 protons >>>> and 126 neutrons, and the heaviest stable atom), and the pair of calcium-48 >>>> and nickel-48 (the former has 20 protons and 28 neutrons, while the latter >>>> is vice versa). The latest to be discovered is tin-132, which has 50 >>>> protons and 82 neutrons. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> These protons and neutrons form proton and neutron lattice layers as >>>> follows >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The magic numbers are then >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> • 2 >>>> >>>> • 8=2+6 >>>> >>>> • 20=2+6+12 >>>> >>>> • 28=2+6+12+8 >>>> >>>> • 50=2+6+12+8+22 >>>> >>>> • 82=2+6+12+8+22+32 >>>> >>>> • 126=2+6+12+8+22+32+44 >>>> >>>> • 184=2+6+12+8+22+32+44+58 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Miley and Hora identified that nuclei undergoing a LENR reaction want >>>> to stabilize at the highly stable double magic number configuration. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This is because neutrons want to be paired with protons to form a >>>> symmetrical nucleus with perfectly shaped lattice based shells. >>>> >>>> . >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Elements with lots of unpaired neutrons like Th232 and U238 would make >>>> for great LENR metals. These metals would stabilize at lead 208. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Some nuclides are double-magic, in that the number of protons and >>>> neutrons are both magic, such as helium-4, oxygen-16, calcium-40, >>>> calcium-48, nickel-48, and lead-208. These isotopes are particularly stable >>>> and this is where LENR wants to go. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hora who is Miley’s collaborator, makes a convincing case that the >>>> nucleus conforms to a R (n) (n = 1, 2, 3…) of the Boltzmann probabilities, >>>> namely R (n) = 3 to the nth power. This suggests a threefold property of >>>> stable configurations at magic numbers in Nuclei, consistent with a quark >>>> property. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Now, we can use this nuclear engineering background to predict what the >>>> LENR ash content will look like when the nucleus is broken down into a >>>> quark soup. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In LENR two concurrent processes are occurring simultaneously: fusion >>>> and fission. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Fusion occurs when more than one nucleus is affected in the zone of the >>>> reaction. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The relative strength of these two reactions will reflect the amount of >>>> screening that the reactor can produce. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Elements built up by the fusion process will be subsequently >>>> disassembled by a fission process. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> But the chances are good that you can expect to see proton magic number >>>> elements like helium, calcium, oxygen, nickel, tin and lead appear in the >>>> LENR ash because they are proton magic number elements. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Also, you can expect to see Neutron magic number isotopes favored in >>>> LENR. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Furthermore thing get more complicated, it is a well-known fact that >>>> the lowering of the coulomb barrier in the nucleus can increase the >>>> radiation levels of alpha emitters. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> When screening intensity is increased, it is reasonable to expect that >>>> other light elements besides Helium(Z=2) will be expelled(aka fission) from >>>> the nucleus. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> These are Lithium(Z=3) , Beryllium(Z=4), and Boron(Z=5). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Also intermediate elements will form that result from the emissions of >>>> these light elements like iron, chromium vanadium, titanium, and scandium. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sulfur(Z=16) will form from the beryllium(Z=4) emission from >>>> calcium(Z=20). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The large amount of iron found in the ash products of the Ni/H reaction >>>> point to alpha decay of nickel. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This transmutation theory developed by Miley and Hora leads me to the >>>> conclusion that in TIP3, there has been many transmutation results that >>>> were not found even if they were in fact occurring. In order to do good >>>> transmutation accounting, the testers must do detailed and perfect >>>> bookkeeping of what elements went into the reaction and account for ALL >>>> elements and isotopes that come out of the LENR reaction. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >
